Mark Webber is the only man on the grid to cry about taking one for the team, he's been like it his whole career, always mouthing off to the press and causing problems with his team-mates, always playing the 'poor me' card he has to be the most 2 faced hypocritical whinge-bag in F1, I really can not stand the guy, I can't believe people don't see through his 'i'm an affable Aussie' facade and see the vindictive tosser for what he is.
Actually Forza, it is my belief that Webber did comply with team orders at the end, yet felt that he had to make the point to show that he could have passed him quite easily. He did back off and that is why I view this as complying with his order, even if he felt the need to make his point. Westy: I don't know about replacements. I'm not looking that far ahead yet and contrary to suggestions I've read elsewhere, I firmly believe that Webber will remain with Red Bull throughout this season.
If he hasn't been offered a contract for next year, he may as well have been. I'm sure Red Bull would much rather have a slightly better version of Irvine/Barrichello/Massa than risk a Hamilton/Alonso situation, and they will therefore want to keep him, even now. The question is whether he will sign it. And I can say with certainty that Button, Hamilton and Alonso would only follow team orders if the mathematical situation was such that team orders were warranted. It isn't here, due to the size of Vettel's lead, and that regardless of who came second and third, Vettel's closest challenger for the title is the aforementioned Australian bloke.
really? I think Ferrari (ie Alonso) are now RBR biggest threat to the WDC, and if McLaren and Mercedes bring out a felxi-wing like Ferrari just have how many poles/victories will RB get?
I feel that massa of 08 could possibly beat alonso. Remember, he only lost the title because his engine blew in hungary when he was miles ahead. Winning the title could have made him a better driver, look what it's done for Vettel and Button.
Surely, if Horner was that concerned that his drivers couldnt fight fairly, then it would have been just as easy to tell Vettle that Webber was faster and let him past. The team would have claimed the same amount of points and it would have made very little difference to the championship! The only issue for Re Bull would be that Vettle would see his arse over it and Webber might go on one of his little runs and claw himself back to within striking distance! Redbull claim to be fair, but they minipulate the situation to take the steam out of the challenge to Vettle, hence a defacto No 2 - hence why Horner would not entertain Hamilton. As stated above, I dont think Button, Kubica would entertain this either and Massa is obviously being minpulated at ferrari, so apart from a rokkie or newbie, I dont see a driver capable of getting the points for the WDC but not being a threat to Vettle!
Yes, that's very good point, the same one I've been making myself! And I agree with Cowboyfromhell when he says he'd choose Alguersuari over Ricciardo for Webber's seat, should he go. Not only is he driving consistently well now, he even had the good sense to get well out of shunting Schumacher's way yesterday and not risk a likely collision for the sake of one point lost; very sensible, I thought. Again yesterday, he drove up through the field yet still managed his tyres into a two stop while most drivers needed three, plus he is fresh enough to F1 to oblige his team on demand, I'd expect.
Spot on. I just wish this was as obvious to everyone else as it clearly is to you Smithers. P.S. This is the first time I've read one of your contributions, so perhaps it's a bit late but welcome to the forum!
didn't hear anyone whine when the roles were reversed in 2009 as pointed out by tom-cat. total hypocrisy, as usual where Webber and Vettel are concerned. And I didn't hear anyone complain about favoritism when Webber was getting upgrades 2 or 3 races before his then team-mate Pizzonia, did hear Webber slate him though, for doing exactly what Webber has done since Vettel handed him his arse. BBC: so Mark, what's you thoughts on today Webber: Whinge whine, poor me, unfair, favoritism, whinge whine bitch moan.
I can't comment on the credibility of the source, but WOW if this is true: http://www.channelnews.com.au/Sales_And_Marketing/Marketing/P7V8D7Q4 Even if this isn't true, Webber doesn't look happy at Red Bull and I think he'll only sign a 2012 contract with Red Bull if a Ferrari drive is unavailable to him,.
I don't trust half the stuff Webber says anymore, seems to me Flavio is pulling the strings to try and unsettle Vettel with more pressure from the media.
Sign of a bullshit story. Also doesn't tally with much of Webber's comments that "Vettel is on a phenomenal run". And they spelt "exclusive" wrong. Nothing in this if you ask me.
With Vettel clearly the class of the field now, surely Red Bull can ditch Webber in favour of one of their 'junior' drivers so they can then have two Red Bull academy drivers in their no.1 team? Vettel will be a clear no.1, the junior driver will certainly be quick but unlikely to pose a major threat to Vettel at the moment, would be paid less and more likely to back down on a matter of team orders without making such a fuss. as Vettel was making mistakes last year (Turkey/Belguim) I can see why they may have wanted Webber's experience this year, but it seems this is no longer necessary so I think it is time to get shot of the Aussie.
This is nothing personal of course, AG, but I don't agree. "Vettel is on a phenomenal run" is obvious to anyone and for Webber to say such a thing is perfectly reasonable, even if he holds the beliefs claimed in Forza's link to this story that his car is not of the same performance (which I think has been the case occasionally but is something that will never come out, since such a revelation would undermine Vettel's vital statistics). It is my belief that Mateschitz, Marko and to a lesser extent Horner and even Newey, are as interested and determined in Vettel's statistics eventually surpassing Schumacher's, as Vettel himself; and have made this their goal from the outset. They do not want Webber punching little holes in this by nicking the odd win, unless Vettel has no realistic chance. I know for absolutely certain that he is very unhappy at what has been going on at Red Bull, for at least a year now. It is entirely consistent and within character to propose a meeting with Mateschitz, since Webber fights a (red) bull by taking hold of its horn(er)s. If this story proves not to be true, I will actually be quite surprised…
