What a load of bollocks The Financial fair play works for the full revenue; so the gaps will only widen if those outside of the top 4 don't improve on their external income. Of course there are the matters of "The better you do, the more supporters you gather." But when appealing to outside audiences, simply being in the premier league is good enough. You're also forgetting about the money gained from: 1. The inflated sale of players to clubs that are in the Champion's league. Barcelona, Real Madrid and Man United all turn over a good enough profit to spend madly on certain things. 2. Money gained from higher league places. 3. Money gained from cup wins. 4. Academy players coming through, which I'm glad to say we have an abundance off. Even if we don't spend enough, the youngsters seem to have enough potential to drag us up to the top 4 anyway. 5. The top 4 clubs will pay more in wages than those lower down, which could take an extra 20m straight away anyway. Whereas if we were to get up to the top 4; the potential is there to offer improved contracts.
From the looks of the signings, the immediate goals seem to be: 1. Long term stability in the side (no one abroad buys English players and they don't ask to go abroad) 2. Beat, week in week out, the sides from 7th-20th (that's a possible 84 points a season) so that we can: 3. Get back in the CL and build from there by attracting 'CL favourites quality' players like we used to
You're also forgetting about the money gained from: 1. The inflated sale of players to clubs that are in the Champion's league. Barcelona, Real Madrid and Man United all turn over a good enough profit to spend madly on certain things. You have this the wrong way round fella. Who pays over the odds? Clubs IN the Champions League know that Players want to join them anyway, so they don't have to bid the highest amount, just enough to ensure that the Player knows they are serious. Clubs OUT of the Champions League don't have that confidence, so they bid fortunes, thus ensuring the Player's current Club won't allow them to speak to anyone else, and THEH have to offer a monster contract. 2. Money gained from higher league places. I think your a bit muddled here too. If you finish outside of the Top4, you get less, the gap widens 3. Money gained from cup wins.Which Cup Wins? Europa League? League Cup? No Chance. FA Cup Perhaps, but nothing like it was. 4. Academy players coming through, which I'm glad to say we have an abundance off. Even if we don't spend enough, the youngsters seem to have enough potential to drag us up to the top 4 anyway.Glad you have kids coming thru, and wish you luck with that, but are you seriously suggesting you have Top4 level Players in your ranks now? 5. The top 4 clubs will pay more in wages than those lower down, which could take an extra 20m straight away anyway. Whereas if we were to get up to the top 4; the potential is there to offer improved contracts. They do pay more wages, because they have better players. But if you are to attract a better level of Player than you are currently, and you will need to, then throwing money at them in lieu of Champions League Football seems to be the only way to secure them.
On a commercial basis you are wrong. Under FPR the money spent on players is limited to the income from all of the clubs activities - merchandising, tv, sponsorship, etc. Therefore your statement "If you get £20M from the Champions League, you can spend it. If you don't get the Champions League £'s, you can't." is incorrect. Even given the attrocious start that we had to last season then our record against the top 4 stands scrutiny - shared the points with Arsenal, City and United and did the double over Chelsea. It is not against the top sides that we have to make dramatic improvements. As for all of the other sides improving, they are in the same situation as ourselves. We are all hoping to improve via imports. However, all imports are a risk - especially foreign ones, no matter what their reputation.
"If you get £20M from the Champions League, you can spend it. If you don't get the Champions League £'s, you can't." is incorrect. Erm! No. It's accurate.
Stop being pedantic! You know exactly the point that I was making. The naming rights alone for the new or re-furbished stadium would be greater than 4/5 years CL money!
Jezz. 6-7 years. You must be joking. Its going to be a lot sooner than that.If any club is primed to take advantage of the inevitable demise of Manchester United...its Liverpool.Manchester United are heading for decline and thats 100% certain.Okay they aren't going to go the same way they did the last time,but their levels of success after the departure of Slur Drinkalot is going to significantly decrease. Its only a matter of time before Liverpool rule the roost again,and they are going to enjoy every minute of kicking Manchester United in the face when they are down.If they are the ones that destroy both Manchester United and Ferguson..it will be a hell of a lot sweeter.
Like all your other quotes, its full of ****. Look at UTDs inevitable demise last year, won the league and got to the CL final. The only team in demise is Liverpool, 2 years without CL and counting
Yet another Man United fan with the same plastic atitude. ''Well at least we earned the right to get thrashed by Barcelona...nobody else did''.
6-7 years is a nonsense number. It may not happen at all. It may happen in 2-3 years. No one has any idea at all who we'll buy, what kids will come good, who will leave, etc. There is no basis for picking a short term number any more than 6-7 years or never.
I'm not interested in getting involved in your personal feud with KPR- only time will tell if Utd are on the decline. As for Liverpool though- we were in decline until the beginning of the year, of course. But since then there has been a significant improvement in performances and morale. Again, we have to wait and see whether the upward trend is maintained- but we are certainly on the way up at the moment.
Man United ARE heading for decline.They have made the same mistake they did the last time.They have not groomed a successor from within.They probably should have done this 10 years ago.Its all going to end when the Senile Alcoholic Fool retires.
Well.. we don't know for sure, do we. They very well could head for a decline when AF retires, but we don't know if he does have a successor or not at the moment.
To be fair to KPR, none of us KNOW what will happen but I share some his feelings that United are more likely to decline than continue on their previous course. Now I would normally go on to identify my reasons for thinking that but it would only entice the usual culprits and that would destroy this thread which is about LIVERPOOL and not United! However, I feel that it is more likely that the decline will start whilst Ferguson is still in charge which would probably lead to his ultimately being "kicked upstairs" with a strong possibility that they would repeat their Busby experience.
Thats my point.I feel Liverpool are the only club capable of taking advantage of that and returning to the summit.However when we do we have to kick Man United the face when they are down.I only responded when an idiot United fan said it will take Liverpool 6-7 years to come back.It will be nowhere near that long.
It's this clamor for "big names" again... The only thing big names do is instill confidence. "We've got {insert name}, we'll be good." Sometimes these players do have skills, but usually only get to use them when opposition players fall for the hype and give the player room. It's all in the head! However, we have Kenny, so that replaces the need for a big name player. What big named players do Manu have these days? Fletcher? It is Fergie that maintains the mystique over there, and that is why their dominance will end when he goes. And like him, Kenny is our Talisman. We will play as a team, workman like. Yes we need more players, but we don't need big names.
Disagree. When we do get back to the top, we should respect all of our opponents. It's not the clubs that disrespect each other.
