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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by sb_73, Feb 11, 2015.

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Who will you vote for in the May 2015 UK General Election?

Poll closed May 5, 2015.
  1. Conservative

    36 vote(s)
    32.4%
  2. Green

    6 vote(s)
    5.4%
  3. Labour

    17 vote(s)
    15.3%
  4. Liberal Democrat

    4 vote(s)
    3.6%
  5. SNP

    1 vote(s)
    0.9%
  6. UKIP

    18 vote(s)
    16.2%
  7. Other

    4 vote(s)
    3.6%
  8. I will not vote

    11 vote(s)
    9.9%
  9. I cannot vote - too young/in prison/in House of Lords/mad

    1 vote(s)
    0.9%
  10. I am not a citizen of the UK

    13 vote(s)
    11.7%
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  1. GoldhawkRoad

    GoldhawkRoad Well-Known Member

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    It was a Labour Government that took us to war, and the adverse implications have been immense. The current ISIS caliphate stems from the invasion of Iraq.

    The Tories vote was based in false data on WMD's (hence the BBC's term "sexed up dossier", for what that Labour master of the black arts, Alastair Campbell got up to). It is guesswork to try to establish whether the Tories would have supported the war had they known what Prime Minister Blair and his cabinet knew.
     
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  2. Sooperhoop

    Sooperhoop Well-Known Member

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    At least the Tories don't lie to justify a war...
     
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  3. QPR Oslo

    QPR Oslo Well-Known Member

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    CMon! The Tories were fully up for that as always. Unfortunately the right wing side of Labour were too. They wanted to support the US as the Tories, with support of the Labour right, invariably do. More a labour Mp's voted for it because there were more Labour MP's, but not more as a % of each of the parties.
     
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  4. Sooperhoop

    Sooperhoop Well-Known Member

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    I see that serial revolutionary Russell Brand is now urging everyone to vote for the Greens. Is that the same Russell Brand that drives a Range Rover, takes a private jet and lives in a flat owned by an offshore firm in a tax haven?

    Perhaps his next film role will be playing Napoleon in George Orwell's 'Animal Farm', he's perfect for it...
     
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  5. Swords Hoopster.

    Swords Hoopster. Well-Known Member

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    I just did that poll & I came out with 50% Conservative and 50% Lib Dem! How the phukk can that be when Uber's other poll had me slap bang in between Plaid Cymru and the Greens?

    Uber's polling methods need a revamp cos they're all over the shop
     
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  6. QPR Oslo

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    Of course they did. They all had had enough of Sadam and wanted to do what they would have been better off finishing what they started back in 91. That the US claimed they had found evidence of nuclear weapons was just the pretext, the excuse, but that road was set months before.
     
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  7. Swords Hoopster.

    Swords Hoopster. Well-Known Member

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    You havin' a Giraffe mate?
     
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  8. Sooperhoop

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    The keepnet is growing...:grin:
     
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  9. Chaz

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    Far less Tory MPs (either in numbers or as a percentage) lied about the evidence to ensure the decision was in favour of going to war.
     
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  10. Chaz

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    Hang on - you reckon that they should have gone in, killed Saddam and fully occupied the country in '91? That sounds like warmongering talk to me. The Tories fulfilled a NATO obligation, ejected an invasion force in Kuwait, then stopped. You're saying they should have carried on and invaded Iraq then?

    Sorry Os, but you've just completely lost the argument you've been having since the beginning, advocating war in spite of proven evidence.
     
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  11. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

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    Who thinks getting rid of Galtieri, Saddam, the Taliban and Gadaffi were bad things to do?

    We get involved in this stuff because we are supposed to be a 'major international player', which is why we spend so much more on the military than other similarly sized economies. Getting involved in wars and being lied to about them is part of the territory. The only way to avoid it is to downsize the military to such an extent that we physically can't get involved, or do to the same level that other European countries do.
     
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  12. Chaz

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    I'm not taking a position on whether the decision was right or not, or whether the outcome was justifiable or not. But it's a bit hypocritical for Os to be so set against the Tories for being 'warmongers' and then advocate that they should have invaded Iraq in 91 and occupied the country, killing Saddam in the process.
     
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  13. QPR Oslo

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    Having gone as far as they did and found Kuwait a hell with 762 oil fires burning, they may been better off completing the job and finishing Sadam off, before he did further damage, as he did repeatedly to the people of Iraq after then. I certainly don't think they should have occupied Iraq, but I believe from what I have read that a limited excursion by special forces to take Sadam and his main supporters was a considered possibility. In retrospect if the capture of Sadam was feasible right after Kuwait was taken back, with few casualties, then it would probably have saved a lot of lives later.
     
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  14. Swords Hoopster.

    Swords Hoopster. Well-Known Member

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    Why not?
     
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  15. Chaz

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    Learning from you - you never take a position on anything.
     
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  16. QPR Oslo

    QPR Oslo Well-Known Member

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    I never said that. Read again.
     
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  17. Swords Hoopster.

    Swords Hoopster. Well-Known Member

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    Here you go: The war was a dreadful decision (at the time, not hindsight) and the outcome was/is disastrous and obviously could never be justified.

    Your turn
     
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  18. Swords Hoopster.

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    (We're talking about the 2nd war, right?)
     
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  19. Chaz

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    That's precisely what you said.
     
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  20. Chaz

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    Not that it's relevant, but the decision was justified on the evidence provided at the time, but NOT justified by the facts as we know them now that the reprehensible manipulation of the data by Blair and Campbell is known. The outcome? Clearly not good, but what would have happened had these regimes been allowed to continue? Something we will never know.
     
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