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Discussion in 'Swansea City' started by Terror ball, Apr 22, 2015.

  1. DragonPhilljack

    DragonPhilljack Well-Known Member

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    Yes and when you fire a few back he just don't like it!..............<laugh>


    The British need to read The NYT Nobel laureate in economics writes that the European severe austerity enacted to "cure" the economy in fact damages not only the economy but the entire social fabric of the nations.'The case for cuts was a lie. Why does Britain still believe it?
    The austerity delusion by Paul Krugman in the guardian



    Like I said lets get the Scum out......................<cheers>
     
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    DragonPhilljack Well-Known Member

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    What you have to remember about Terror is, he'll never answer your argument, he merely deflects with his LIBTORY propaganda, he reels it out in barrel loads in the hope to bury any argument, but lets look at the real facts, I shoved this under his nose back on page 7, with no response of any substance then, why was I not surprised....<laugh>


    Here's a list Terror , of what Clegg didn't block these last 5 years :

    REALITY CHECK FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL THINKING OF VOTING LIBDEM;

    None of the following could have happened without the LibDems. They have been the Tory enablers & they have to bear responsibility for that & no amount of weasel words will excuse them from that .

    It truly is a damning indictment of their party.


    Clegg & the rest of the Tory enabling LibDems performance & record in government : 2010-2014


    NHS - Health and Social Care Act 2012
    Thanks to Liberal Democrat votes they must share responsibility for wasting £3billion on a top-down NHS reorganisation while more people wait longer in A&Es and over 5,000 nurses are cut.

    Tuition Fees: Trebling Tuition Fees to £9000 (despite promising to abolish them.

    Educational Maintenance Allowance (EMA)
    Lib Dems helped Tories abolish it

    Bedroom Tax
    (Spare Room Subsidy) Voted with the Tories to charge poor people between £14 and £24.00 PER WEEK inflicting distress and suffering on millions, now over 50,000 people are in rent arrears and face eviction and the figures will continue to increase.

    Privatisation of Probation Service

    VAT BOMBSHELL
    In opposition Clegg & LibDems spoke of "TORY VAT BOMBSHELL" then voted with Tories to increase VAT to 20%

    Part Privatisation of prison service

    Bombing Syria
    Voted /supported With Tories to bomb Syria

    Sure Start Centres
    Supported Tories to close over 558 Sure Start Centres (so far) despite promising not to,

    Cut Income Tax for Millionaires
    Backed a Tory cut in the top rate of tax, giving 13,000 millionaires a tax cut worth an average £100,000 while millions are paying more.

    Falling Living Standards
    Clegg says he's making life "fairer and easier" with tax cuts, however, wages are down £1,500 since the election and a million young people out of work.

    Mansion Tax
    Nick Clegg said "The Mansion Tax is right, it makes sense and the Liberal Democrats will continue to make the case for it. they said they would "stick to their guns" however when given the chance to stand up for their own principles and vote for a mansion tax, Liberal Democrat MPs voted against it.

    Constitutional Reform
    Nick Clegg said his constitutional reform programme would be "the biggest shake-up of our democracy since the Great Reform Act of 1832". It wasn't. He abandoned Lords reform after Conservative MPs refused to back it, and he failed to deliver reform of the voting system.

    Police
    In the Liberal Democrat manifesto, Nick Clegg promised to put 3,000 more police on the beat. But in Government they backed Tory plans to cut more than 15,000 police officers.

    Special Advisers
    In opposition, the Liberal Democrats said that special advisers "are political jobs, and should, therefore, be funded by political parties". They changed their tune when they got into Government. Nick Clegg alone has sixteen Special Advisers - paid for at the taxpayers' expense.

    Food banks
    Soaring use of food banks

    Utilities
    Soaring cost of gas, electricity and water.

    Child Poverty
    There are now 2.6million kids in the UK being brought up in hardship, with more than half of them in working households. The number of children living in poverty has leapt by 300,000 under the Coalition Government.

    Environment
    Meant to be "greenest" government ever, but helping Tories introduce Fracking

    Lobbying Bill
    Not one single Liberal Democrat MP opposed the party of the government’s draconian Lobbying Bill that muzzles charities and campaigners.

    Secret Courts
    In an Act of Parliament Liberal Democrat MPs voted in favour of Secret Courts and helped put on the statute books just five months ago! Now they have the cheek to say they will repeal it? Then why vote it through? Is this what Clegg calls blocking the excesses of the Tories? Voting something through then saying they will repeal it?

    Legal Aid
    Liberal Democrats voted with the Tories to stop ordinary people gaining access to legal aid;

    Judicial Review
    The curtailing of judicial review.

    Workers Rights
    Removing workers rights to a tribunal and charging them at least £1000 to bring a case

    Bankers Bonuses:
    While most of us never see a bonus in our lifetime

    Royal Mail given away to Dave’s fat cat hedge fund mates stealing millions from the British taxpayer



    Grateful thanks to Graysoon for the above information, and Terror the weasel has the brass balls to ask to vote LIBTORY? I ask, is he for real or what?...................<laugh>
     
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    You and I would run this country well!...............<laugh>
     
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    Another big threat to a fair election is Murdoch using his vast propaganda empire to influence how the sheep will vote !
     
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    You couldn't run a tea party <laugh>
     
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    I like that :)
     
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    Frankies the nuts !


    Anyone watching the pantomime that is question time just started on bbc1 now ?
     
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    No i'm watching Peppa Pig
     
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    Well QT was the same old expected drivel by all 3 of them nothing new or believable again ? The best bit was millipede almost going flying as he left the stage !
     
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    ValleyGraduate12 Aberdude's Puppet
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    A load of rubbish. They avoided the questions and showed a total lack of respect.
     
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    They should have had Farage there at least he will give a strait answer to a question and would have wrecked the others ! probably why he wasnt invited ?
     
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    This from a bloke whose idea of political debate is to call one side "whores".
    As I said, a hypocrite.
     
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    You watch it you!..............<laugh>
     
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    Where should they have made the spending cuts then?
    The Labour party opposed every one of the last governments cuts.
    What would you cut?
    ....and please, Phillip, try and give a serious answer based on the real world.
    ie. £70 billion or so of cuts from areas where the government actually spends money.
    You can copy and paste if you like.
     
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    DragonPhilljack Well-Known Member

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    This guy has it nailed on the futility of voting for the Westminster village............<laugh>




    Gratefull thanks to Aber, though I have seen it before................<cheers>
     
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    There was no need to make any cuts? but that's the lie you have been fed, why did we have to bale out these failing banks? Hundreds, and hundreds of Billions of tax payers money handed over to these banks? You just don't get it do you? If Northen Rock had been allowed to fold would you have lost money? Would I have lost Money NO, but the only reason these banks were propped up was because of the ruling elite that stood to lose the most, the Super Rich, the 1% are the only ones who really gained from all this, but lets say that it was justified, then why has the capitalist market got to be baled out by the tax payer? and then why has the poorest now been targeted to pick up the government deficit tab because of this Bank bale out? The Government still has assets it could have sold, but you'll never hear anything about that. Why were Banks share holders not held accountable? and why didn't they pick up the tab for the way their bank was so poorly run? This is just the tip of the iceberg, I could go on regarding who owns major shares in the Banking system, but then we would be into some of the big Fund players in the city of London, The Insurance Companies, The Pension Fund Managers who move around Billions, they are the ones who have clout with the Tory party.


    They Gambled away Billions, and in the end they had the poorest, the disabled to pick up the tab, week after week I have read accounts of those disabled people who had their benefits stopped commit suicide, and these Tory Bastards are responsible, they cowardly ripped into the most vulnerable, and for me that is so despicable I hope they get ripped into on May 7th, If the country vote this scum back in, then that to me says it all, and I'll look forward to the Middle classes getting a stuffing on the next Financial crisis, because the Torys are the Elite, they are the City of London, Why the hell do you think that the Scotts want out of the Westminster Whore house? .................<ok>
     
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    Please, explain Paul Krugman's ideas further.....what does he say we should have done in 2010? A Lib-Lab coalition?
    Should we have just allowed the party who had run up a deficit while the economy was "booming" (in fact a credit bubble)....to such a level that when the recession kicked in we were committed to spend £160 billion more money than we had year on year, in terms of percentage of GDP our deficit was much like the Greek deficit....to carry on?
    The party who bailed out the banks without including any provisos?
    The party who did nothing to reform the banking sector following their bailout?
    The party who should have been supervising the banking sector in the first place?
    The party who was supposed to be the party of the people but had a chancellor (Gordon Brown) who cosied up to the City of London and fell over himself to relax regulation....just as long as the tax revenue kept rolling in so he could spend like there was no tomorrow and pretend he had solved boom and bust? <laugh>
    The people's party who had Mandelson as business secretary stating that the Labour Party were "intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich"?
    The people's party who had us as America's lapdog, sending our young men and women off to die in Iraq on a lie?

    How much more money than £160 billion per year does Krugman say we should have borrowed and how should our government have spent it to create enough private sector growth to drastically reduce our deficit?
    Who would have been willing to lend us the money?
    Has he factored in that with a £160 billion deficit (nearly 8% of GDP) borrowing more would have cost us more?
    How much money should we have printed? What would that have done to the value of the pound?
    After all, it's ****ing easy this isn't it?
    Perhaps we should make Krugman World President he sounds like a ****ing genius.
     
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    So what your saying in a nutshell, after all that garbage you spouted above, is you know better than a NYT Nobel laureate expert in economics?

    Terror you simply don't get it, and I don't think you ever will, but May 7th may help you see the wood from the trees, though I doubt it.......<ok>




    Try Digesting this from him, let me know if you find anything that needs explaining to you, I'll be pleased to help. Link:http://www.theguardian.com/business/ng-interactive/2015/apr/29/the-austerity-delusion
     
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