Your stab in the dark is a poor one and seems to deliberately ignore the reason I have given for not supporting anything other that the Bruce and by default, the Cobb banners. Why would I want one, have you read anything at all or do you just jump in with random posts? Bizarre.
Unfortunately, I've read all of your posts in relation to this project. You have some very valid points but you have also declined on numerous occasions to assist in resolving any issues that have been brought up
You lose me with your logic: why on earth would I assist you with a project that I don't endorse? If the project had been held back until the name-change is resolved (or preferably a change of ownership) then it would have received my support. Unfortunately you and others are constantly posting to misrepresent my position so I feel obliged to correct you, as there has been more than enough misinformation surrounding the project so far.
Okay, I'll tell what I will do: you tell which of my points you consider to be valid and tell me what issues, and on which project, you need a hand with and I will consider how I might be able to assist.
Have you thought about putting the images on to t-shirts ? Also what about a Mount Rushmore image with France, Dawson, Bo and Ash on it?
It's bizarre isn't it. Some people wanted to produce flags, and they've got flags. He didn't want flags, and he hasn't got flags. Looks like win, win to me. Every time he's been given the opportunity to find out first hand, either by getting a design to his own requirements or meeting the people he says are lying rather than doubting my word, he backs out and responds with childish abuse. Some also cannot separate one action from another. With some issues along the way, the club have been helpful with the banners. On other issues, I know they've been economical with the truth to say the least. Defending them on one issue I've had first hand dealings with, doesn't mean I believe everything or support other actions. There's a difference, some say a subtle one,, but a difference all the same, between supporting the team and supporting the regime. It's possible to do both, but unfortunately, some don't see it. I would have thought that, given the current climate, fans and club working constructively together for a common goal was a positive, especially as it has already opened up opportunities for the future. Yes, things could have been done better, but that works for all sides. The trick is to accept the mistakes and learn from them, not get dragged into a pointless blame game.
It was certainly considered, but it was felt better to do one thing at a time. If there's an interest, maybe that's something people want to happen? I don't know how it works cost wise doing individual ones, but I guess if someone had a design in mind, mauled could get it on a tee-shirt. We were spoiled for choice with our selection of legends. A cheap option would be an amber shirt with no text, just images of McShane on the front and Phil Brown on the back. I think I've seen them in the shops already.
Those who wanted the In Bruce we trust flag got it after what 3 months, saw it up for 2 games ? and now its gone. And its all down to the club not people on here who tried to do the right thing.
I don't think it took 3 months was from concept to design, production and display, but I'll stand corrected. The banner went up one game after it was available. That was dissapointing, but given it was during the Christmas period, and the club took the time to talk about it to me on New Years Eve, I think it would be wrong to lay the blame at their door. If you're looking for blame, I'd say part of that delay was my fault for not being clear to them what was going on. It wasn't up last game, I don't know why, and I haven't asked. I'll do that today.
Well, the answer to that seems quite simple to me; it's down to your endless moaning about it! I mean, if people who are doing their best to sort the banners out are having to read your endlessly negative thoughts on the matter, they're obviously going to respond. I reckon if you stop moaning about it, the eight threads might dry up a bit.
Me either. Some people just seem to like bitching about stuff, even if it's nowt yo do with them or doesn't affect them. I just read his endless and tedious bile and think "why? What the actual **** are you complaining about?" I then wonder why he posts such long crap saying **** all.
Posters should be aware of the way that the banners and flags movement is constructed. Mauled is only identified because of his designs. In the same way that Barmy Flags would be. The forum does not have to use his designs, it could design and purchase a banner or flag of its choice. Large banners that the forum would like to have on display, have to be approved by the SMC and the club. Any member of the forum can contact the both and if they ask DMD I am sure that he will pass on the details of who to get in touch with. DMD is only identified by his user name. But he has to use his real name and contact details with the club and SMC. There is no committee, no group, no structure and certainly from what I have seen, no desire from any forum member to take personal benefit. Mauled was approached by the club because they like his work. Fez believes that the club lies and should not be trusted, he believes that the club would not allow the SMC to display a banner with Hull City AFC on it. If anyone wants to buy such a banner and have it displayed by the club, there is nothing stopping them doing it, there never has. Would the club allow its display, who knows? The question was not asked , because it did not need to be asked. He believes that the club and SMC fobbed DMD off, when it said that the banners could not be hung on the frame work of the stadium without a structural report and that a simple fix was possible. If he believes that, why does he not contact the SMC and get it sorted. On a personal note Fez, you do not know what I do, who I speak to, why I speak to them and what I discuss. You may think that you do from personal conversations some time ago, but things move on and change and I do not have any desire or need to keep you in the loop.
Mauled has already said that there workmen where all over the place when he was there and perhaps the banner was not put up because of this.
Another response from me as someone has decided to address me directly with a load of bunkum. So, you are resorting to making things up and putting words in my mouth now, TOM? Of course I believe the club lies to its supporters - that is well documented, so why should I disregard the truth? Are you seriously telling me that you are defending them on that accusation - that they have not lied to us and that they can be trusted? I would appreciate an answer on that, as you have decided to make it an issue. What I have said is not what you say, "believes that the club would not allow the SMC to display a banner with Hull City AFC on it"; what I have said is that I believe it to be a badly conceived idea not putting the clubs name, Hull City AFC, on the banners - or at least a simple Hull City. I expressed my opinion that it could be considered tacit support of the owners rebranding-by-stealth of the club with the stadium, something I would not wish to be involved with - what you, or anyone else does is their affair. I have said that I would be curious to see whether or not the club would allow the name to appear and I was told that they would - I do have my doubts on that. The so-called 6'x4' banners, which are supposed to be excluded from club scrutiny/authorisation were the size we were all told would be prepared and that the dropping of the name was irrelevant because of this (in fact a great deal was made of that detail); we then found out - after they have been bought and paid for - that the flags are larger than the agreed size and that 'they were submitted to the club as a courtesy' - some might think it both fortunate and convenient that no name had to be considered in this courteous authorisation. But you are right, the question was not asked, was it? Perhaps that could be considered a face-saving matter, perhaps not. I believe a consultant engineer (Alderley Edge Tiger) volunteered his services, maybe has that been taken up? You really do seem intent on volunteering the services of others; why can't you be satisfied with your own profound activities? Perhaps I should volunteer my services to Steve Bruce when I do not agree with his team selection policy? Comedy gold, no less. On a personal note, TOM, I don't give a flying **** who you speak to or what you speak about, that is your business; just as you have absolutely no idea with me. You crack on with your self-importance and I will continue to make comment, on an anonymous footy forum, if that is okay with you. I didn't copy the first part of your post as I have always respected the actions of those involved and I see no need to discuss their involvement.
I will ignore the rest for the nonsense it is. Can you show me where and how the success of this collaboration and constructive work has produced the results that were hoped for? I think that collaboration with the owners would be better judged if they were not so clearly working against the very fans you represent. As for the future... really? Do you really have some insight into what the future holds under the Allam's? You can believe their hype and be impressed with what you believe you have achieved, just don't ask me to be is all I ask.
