Matt Phillips: QPR must not sack Chris Ramsey if we’re relegated from the Premier League

IF we had of scored a penalty and IF the ref had of allowed Dunne's goal. Not a very convincing argument for appointing him full time.

 

West Ham are a massive club in comparison with twice the crowd, probably twice the revenue and capable of attracting players like Song and Valencia who are somewhere in between young and hungry and having nothing to prove.

Granted Sam has made some very good signings but at best all we would be doing is delaying the inevitable with another old, big name manager.

Football is about much more than being a small fish in the big pond. You seem to only care about being able to stream the games more easily.

 

Correct

 

I did that on the keeping 8 thread.

 

Fair enough Fingy. For me its what I expect will be lack of choice - if we are to be run on a shoestring we will not be attractive to any obvious candidates (who will all be joblesss for a reason anyway). He's made some mistakes, had some bad luck but most importantly he seems to have what are a fairly senior bunch of players behind him and we haven't given up like in 2013. I know the squad will be different next year, plus also my expectations of staying up have been pretty low since we started losing at home, before Ramsey turned up.

Whoever the next manager is, they need to have 3 full seasons at it.

 

Well that is a stroke of luck then, it is not all doom and gloom then

 

trouble is Findus you can't buy success in Football unless you throw a lot of crisp pancakes into it … City have got there but anyone remember how long it took? .. and what they have had to spend to stay there. Our big plans are in tatters because our man is a very poor business man. Imaz probably the first to pick up immediately on exactly how bad.

 

I have read that thread now Ossie. There is no factual basis to substantiate your argument of everything is rosie in the garden.

1. Ramsey does not have a history of being successful either here or elsewhere.
2. The team spirit appears to have improved but the results haven't. You can blame hard luck all you want.
3. Regarding the introduction by Ramsey of the Youth players, Furlong has great potential but I wouldn't describe his few games in the first team as successful. He was ripped apart at Palace. Doughty only got a few minutes in two games I think and the same with Grego Cox. Yes, they all got more time than they did under Harry but there is no evidence that long term they are good enough, despite their potential.

 

Whilst it is a results driven business as has been stated elsewhere, the plan facts are that quite simply we are not good enough to stay in this division. However I believe that Ramsey has shown a remarkable amount of dignity and maturity given the hand he was dealt by Redknapp and TF. This season was always going to be a struggle but it wasn't helped by the fact that we didn't pick up a single point away from home in the first 11 away games. Imagine if we had say drawn 5 of those, even with the complete collapse of home form since the new year we would have 32 points and in with a real chance of surviving.

Sure Ramsey has on occasions been naieve with selections etc but at least the players are showing some commitment rather than giving up as last time.

Given the new period of austerity that the club will be going through I believe we will have little option but to stick with him going forward and he may just turn out to be a real gem and give us a team that is in keeping with what us older fans like to think how a Rangers team should play, even if it means a few seasons in the Championship.

 

Just do it. Shoot me now

 

You're only concerned about not seeing games on the box, the rest of us are concerned about the long term future of the club. Do you really think that another season in this league will be any easier, money being thrown every which way? The club is totally disfunctional from top to bottom and the only way to stabalise is to go down and rebuild from scratch........

 

We are clearly favourites to be relegated so I'm not seeing roses in the garden, not Rosie or any føkkin garden come to that. But Yeh I see Ramsey doing a good job and would like him to be given a decent period of time to Manage us.

 

Ellers sums it up quite well:

Besides, you know as well as I do, Tramore, that there is no such thing as the football league in the land where you & I live. It doesn't exist. Once relegated, the Clubs might as well have fallen off a cliff.

 

I don't think we need to go down to do that but you'll probably get your wish! I don't think we need to rebuild from "scratch" either.

 

There is if you have Irish players in the squad and young Manning could become a decent player in coming seasons......Besides Swords I seem to recall seeing a number of games last year either on the box or via a stream......you must have missed them

 

Not a wish Os, just being realistic.......do you seriously think we are good enough to stay up? Off course we may win our last 4 games, stranger things happen, and stay up, but the odds are stacked against it.

Ok where do you think we need to start rebuilding from if not from scratch?

 

Good job? P 11, W2, D2, L7

Not my idea of doing a good job.

 

I'm interested to know on what you base your comment that Ramsey is "a brilliant footballing man"?
Up till now, he has played 4-4-2 hoof ball almost every game and the side he picked against West Ham was straight out of the Harry coaching manual.

Now, I know he has a reputation for developing youth and I think I've heard him say that he likes to play a passing game.
Unfortunately, to date, as far as youth is concerned, he got it very wrong with young Furlong and there has been no sign of us playing a passing game to date!

Having said all that, I agree with most that we should probably give him a year in the Championship to develop a team.

 

I was just giving you a hard time on the last sentence of your post! Good enough to stay up? I thought start of the season we were going to struggle but might just survive. I still think we could have just managed it, if Harry has been more positive away, if Harry had gone before the season started as I wanted, or earlier than he did , if Ramsey had had more time, if luck had been post in. Many Ifs,but we were always going to be in the struggle near the bottom.

A lot had just been changed at the Club with Les and Ramsey's new roles. They haven't had too long yet. I got no idea if Les is doing a good job or not, but its early to replace him. Ramsey impresses me even though the results don't show it, except away. Performances are better and I see a good chance of improvement if he is given time and player material. Why start from scratch, we got a good Manager, some good players for the Championship and Ramsey has got a few playing better. We just need to adapt well to wherever we play next season.

 

The problem we have had under TF is that he hasn't got a vision of how to become a successful PL club. All this 'we've learned' is bollox, we haven't and he just makes cock-up after cock-up. His tweets that he believes we are staying up are frankly embarrassing and it's his stupidity as chairman that has cost us so dearly.

I get the feeling Ramsey will be given the job when we are relegated not because he's the best man for the job but because he's so happy to be manager he'll put up with the massive cull of big earners and whatever puny budget he's given. A big name boss wouldn't wear that.

Personally, if I were TF, I'd get over to Brentford as soon as their season ends and go down on bended knees to get Warburton as boss with the proviso he has three years to build us the right way playing proper football and making youth development a priority. Somehow I just know TF will cock things up yet again...