Just wondered what you guys think of these impending executions. I am 100% against executions, however, I know if I went to certain countries and did certain things, I would have to pay the penalty, no different here. They knew the consequences of their actions, and what it would lead to, so, although as much as I am against the death penalty, my sympathy in this case is a little limited. saying that, I hope they commute the sentence to Life...
Anybody getting into that sort of thing, needs to understand the risks they're taking and especially in countries such as Indonesia. They make laws like that so that people don't **** about and compared with the UK, I'm sure it works a hell of a lot better. I'm not saying they deserve it but compared to what happens in Saudi, these guys can have no complaints.
Anybody who smuggles drugs into or out these countries must be really desperate, troubled, greedy or stupid! I wouldn't say I am 100% against executions, some people deserve it. Do these people? I don't know, possibly not! But then again, its like someone walking into the middle of an extremely busy motorway then people being shocked and appalled that the person gets knocked down and killed! They knew the risks! For the families sake I hope they avoid the death penalty, but for their sake? To be honest I think I'll just sit on the fence!
Theirs rapists, murders in that country who aren't getting the firing squad, well that's because their Indonesian.. Corrupt country who I have no time for.. After the Bali bombs I'm dumbfounded how many young Australians still travel there and pump copious amounts of cash into that ****hole.. After they've both been rehabilitated, I find it a contradiction that the Indonesian government can offer that but still go ahead with the death penalty.. Like I said theirs Indonesian murderers, rapists over their who aren't facing the death penalty, but these 2 Aussies who have helped other inmates & shown remorse in their mistakes have to face the firing squad.. It would be the same if he UK or Australia had the death penalty for these crimes, would you think that's right?
S So does child murders, acts of terrorism and the mass murder of innocents. But it still goes on. I used to think the death penalty was 100% wrong. The older I've got, that's changed. Some people don't deserve to live. The problem I have is where to draw the line. I still haven't squared that circle with myself yet.
For some reason it is not showing the part of your post I actually agreed with, so I will re print it here.."The problem I have is where to draw the line". Exactly..And also the fact that mistakes are made that cannot be rectified if the death penalty has been served..For this reason alone I am totally against it 100%.
I must say, having the death sentence hanging over them for so long is incredibly cruel for themselves and their families! It wouldn't surprise me that for some people under these circumstances execution would be a blessed relief!
Not really mate, if that was the case then people all over the world would be getting shot for distributing drugs etc.. Taking, selling drugs is a worldwide problem everyday of the week.. Whether or not people think 'they knew what they were getting into' doesn't make their sentence rational.
I will say that drug dealers are in my opinion among the lowest of the low dregs of society and are the root cause of death and misery to many. They do deserve heavy jail sentences for their actions, but never the death penalty..
In my humble opinion getting executed for selling/dealing in drugs is very harsh as (like Aussie says) Rapist, murderers get away with much lighter sentences. Like RAW I find the whole death penalty thing barbaric, but.....if you choose to do things in other people countries that you shouldn't be doing, don't moan and winge later about the consequences.
In your eyes mate yes, couldn't disagree more myself. I suppose my life experiences have given me a staunch outlook on death, rehabilitation. Being executed for something that clearly isn't warranted under the crime committed makes me quite sad. People make mistakes and lets not forget these 2 blokes didn't murder, rape anyone and they've been rehabilitated over their. They've been in an Indonesian jail for 10 bloody years and taking what they thought was the appropriate steps in their life to contribute to society or at least build towards that. They were given a pathway through the corrupt scum indo govt that they assumed would benefit themselves in the mistakes they made.. That's what infuriates me, they have ****ed up and admitted it. Still they don't deserve to be shot.
I agree with that, although some people have ****ed up childhoods abuse etc and find themselves using drugs etc to cope with their pain. That's why rehabilitation and prevention through school programs is key to addressing this worldwide issue.
Drug dealers of Class A's probably (indirectly) kill more people than terrorists, rapists and murderers combined. Where I'd draw the line with this one is if the dealers are part of gangs, whereby they're merely pawns in the bigger picture, forced into doing the dog's work. That's probably the case, in reality. Where there's reasonable doubt, I'd have trouble justifying a death sentence.
Had a feeling Aussie would have a go at the Indonesians. It's their country, and this just happens to be one of the laws of that country. Just in case any of you have forgot, there is also an English woman would it seems will be facing the same sentence soon, formerly from Redcar or Seaham. tough ****.
I'm not the only Aussie or fella from around the world disagreeing with it. Yes it's their country, but they don't have the same law for their own citizens who commit the same crime. Another sad fact which I've mentioned b4 the same Indonesians who rape & murder don't get shot either.. If that's not corrupt bullshit then I'll do what that welsh rugby fan did and cut my ballsack off..
The laws in that country may be outdated and irrational! But they are the laws of that country and they should be obeyed or suffer the consequences! If I take a drink of lager in Saudi Arabia, the authorities burst in during mid sup, I would have to deal with the outcome, no matter how bizarre and unfair I feel the law is! If I couldn't cope with the consequences of my actions then I shouldn't have broken the law! In fact, there is no way I would even step foot in these sorts of countries anyway for these very reasons, a moment of weakness causing huge repercussions, or just in case I break some crazy law that I wasn't fully aware of! If I strongly disagree with the laws and their harshness then I stay well away. I don't know the ins and outs of this specific case however. I mean, if these smugglers had been Indonesian would they have suffered the same consequences? If there were locals who were being given more lenient sentences and the Bali 9 were being executed to be purely made an example of then I can understand some outcry and pleas for leniency. Basically, what I am asking is, is a death sentence for drug smuggling compulsory in Indonesia? If not, what percentage are actually executed!?
I'm keeping out of the corruption debate, as i live in one of the most corrupt countries in the whole. But as for the drug dealers...**** em...sorry but thats my view.
There's loads locked up in Thailand for smuggling innit, life without parole mainly for them. There was a show on about 5 years ago about a Brit, saying he smuggled 1,000 E's or something. Daft ****.
