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  1. Albert's Chip Shop

    Albert's Chip Shop Top Grafter Forum Moderator

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    Taken from ashleyout.com.

    Hits the spot for me.

    My main issue with JC though is his conduct (offering out the away end)....

    Dear John (an open letter to John Carver)
    23/04/2015
    Dear John,



    It was with surprise that we took note of your comments about the impact the boycott and our protests had on your team’s performance last Sunday vs Tottenham Hotspur. In case you don’t remember, this is what you had to say on the matter this afternoon:

    “I’ve got to say we talked after the game last week about, and I’ll talk about the protest and I genuinely thought at the time that the protest wouldn’t make any difference and it shouldn’t and I didn’t want to use it as an excuse for players but I think it did affect people, it does affect you, it affected me slightly and it certainly affected some of the players and I know there is another one coming this week, but at least people are coming in the stadium and if it’s a protest for one minute and that it only lasts for one minute then we’ve got 89 minutes to get on with the game.

    “Again, I’ll say it, I don’t have a problem with protests, you know, people are entitled to do it but at least people are coming in the stadium this time, cause it certainly did – and it wasn’t an excuse – it certainly did affect the performance.”

    Source: BBC



    This contradicts directly what you said in the post match press conference of the Spurs game:

    “People are entitled to do what they want and they have their opinion. I don’t think that has affected what has gone on on the pitch today. We’re all professional and as soon as they crossed that line, no matter what is going on around them it shouldn’t bother them. Yeah it can help them when the crowd are behind the team but a situation like it was shouldn’t affect them. We lost the game because we weren’t good enough.”

    Source: The Chronicle



    Now, this campaign is aimed at Mike Ashley and not at you because quite frankly, you are merely another symptom of the disease that is slowly killing our beloved club, but we would like to point out a few things if that is ok with you.



    Firstly, it appears to happen rather a lot these past few weeks that what you claim should or should not happen on a pitch does not translate to what actually happens during the match. Despite your assurances that no Newcastle team would ever go down without a fight in the derby that is exactly what happened, and now you want us to believe that missing a “few thousand” fans (you might remember the club announced the official and actual attendance as 47,427 and they are not known to regularly distort the truth so that must have been correct) affected the players and the performance?



    Secondly, we would also like to point out that the team was on a five game losing streak prior to this particular match, on 9 points from 14 games and a -13 goal difference since you became the “interim” manager, so it would seem frivolous to suggest that the boycott and protests had any demonstrable effect on the players. We believe it would be far more productive for you to question whether your selections and tactics might be having an adverse effect on performances, rather than the actions of those not present at the stadium that day.



    Thirdly and lastly, we would like to ask you what, apart from being on Mike Ashley’s payroll, has brought about the change in your opinion of Mike Ashley between these two quotes attributed to you, the first at the time of Chris Hughton’s sacking and the second in today’s press conference?



    December 2010 – “Unfortunately the guy at the top makes the decisions and we’re all suffering because of it”

    Source: BBC (radio interview, well worth a listen John if you don’t remember what your thoughts were at the time)

    vs

    Today – “The majority of people will agree he (Ashley) has done a good job. We’re now in a good position to go forward”



    You plead for Newcastle United fans to give you and your squad of players the support you require to avoid getting sucked in another relegation battle, but as far as we are concerned our club has our full support. We are not protesting because we have lost interest or because we wish to see our club do badly in case you are wondering, we are protesting because we want to save our club before it is too late and there is nothing left to save. As a Geordie, we shouldn’t really have to tell you that though John, should we?



    AshleyOut.com
     
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  2. G4rdToonArmy

    G4rdToonArmy Well-Known Member

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    I hope he reads it!

    All this talk of being a big enough man to walk away if he didn't think the board would invest in the summer or have faith in his own ability just prove him to be another one of Ashley's puppets willing to lie to the fan base for a few of Ashley's coppers in his pocket, that or he is actually mental!

    If he is selected to take the team forward over the summer I will lose pretty much all interest in the club, unfortunately I'm starting to worry this is the case...
     
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  3. Lord Jonjomort

    Lord Jonjomort Well-Known Member

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    The effort is commendale from these guys. Whatever the motives or overall agenda, this looks like it's going to be relentless. Ashley makes it easy, mind. With fcking morons like Carver and Charnley in charge, we all know that things are going to remain mired in mediocrity at best.
     
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  4. Obi Wan

    Obi Wan keeper of the peace Forum Moderator

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    Nice letter. But Carver will say and do whatever he is told to by Mike and co. Ultimately it is his ONLY ever chance of managing the club he claims to love as this is the only owner ever prepared to stoop so low as selecting someone at Carver's level. So John is in a quandary. Do the role anyway, as it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, despite knowing you have to do as you're told, that you are out of your depth and that the fans don't rate you? OR be the better man and walk out on principle?

    Well it's JC so we have him until Mike gets bored.

    Where Carver makes it even worse for himself is being too thick to keep quiet. He tries getting the fans onside by saying what he thinks they want to hear, then when it all goes wrong he has to backtrack and contradict himself after he's clearly had a bollocking.

    So it's the combination of being clueless on and off the pitch that means he's too dim (and ignorant / deluded) to stand aside.

    We truly are screwed.
     
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    "It was with surprise that we took note of your comments about the impact the boycott ..." <doh>
     
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  6. Beardsley's Rancid Sack

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    The fat **** can't read anyway. The guy is pond life and needs to be cleansed from the club via a ****ing trebuchet.
     
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    Obi Wan keeper of the peace Forum Moderator

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    <laugh> now that I would like to see.
     
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  8. Obi Wan

    Obi Wan keeper of the peace Forum Moderator

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    Unless you were talking about me. :bandit:
     
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    Both of you but i will spare you the indignity of being violated with a weedwhacker before launch time.
     
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  10. Obi Wan

    Obi Wan keeper of the peace Forum Moderator

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    Too kind BRS. Too kind. <ok>
     
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  11. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    He seems confused in everything he does.
     
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  12. MF SHAK

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    jesus christ..open letters... the next level in depressing. I dont see why people are so offended with carver spouting gibberish, what did people expect? hes massively out of his depth, panicking about relegation, has barely any playing staff and is the only mouthpiece of a hugely expectant club. I havent even really watched his recent interviews, it honestly seems like i would be insulting my own intelligence by even bothering to try and make sense of it all. I realise people want some clarification on what is going on with the team/club, but we shouldnt be getting it from this man and everything aimed at Carver just seems like ashley is once again getting away with murder.

    I would imagine some believe that he shouldnt have even taken the job, but lets be fair hes probably the only person we could get.
     
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  13. Albert's Chip Shop

    Albert's Chip Shop Top Grafter Forum Moderator

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    Mate. I would rather a dream team of Ant and Deck plus Tim Healey manage us on a cocktail of illegal narcotics.
    Personally I would have shown balls and resigned by now.
     
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  14. MF SHAK

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    and leave who in charge?
     
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    Albert's Chip Shop Top Grafter Forum Moderator

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    Beardsley or the invisible man.

    Has anyone heard anything about Carver offering to fight some more fans tonight?
    Twitter says he did but it may be BS.
     
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    Beardsley
     
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  17. MF SHAK

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    i guessed beardsley would be the reply, but why would he take the job? has he said anything to imply he should even be considered? he may not want to be anywhere near it, for god knows how many reasons

    why would carver walk away knowing it would pretty much force the job on beardsley..or coloccini? I dont see it lads honest, please correct me if im missing something, but realistically if beardsley had taken the job he would still be working with a terrible squad, under the same pressure, and likely taking a load of flack from our fans
     
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  18. Albert's Chip Shop

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    He is a better stop gap than that belltop Carver.
    Plus Beardsley hasn't offered to violently assault our away end so he has a slight advantage.
    When Carver opens his mouth now all he can do is damage. He should be duck taped up around the mouth and strapped to a Blue Whale in a horney mood.
     
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    but like i said, does he want the job? Has it been stated anywhere that beardsley was a viable option?
     
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    It wasn't stated that he or Carver weren't interested pn a temporary basis.
    A couple of years ago at a talk in I went to he openly said that one day he wanted pardew's job.
     
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