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It was an attempt to draw The Colster into an unedifying online spat between himself and I. It would appear to have failed.

(He don't wind me up really, he's a top man imo. One of my top 3 all-time best posters)

 

Swords, I now Baptise thee: SWORDS
Go forth and multiply (you should start with the 2x table, see if you can manage that)

 

Frankly neither Labour or Tories have anything to be proud of from their 'interventions' in the past 15 years. They mistakenly think everyone wants 'western democracy' without understanding the Arab culture and by removing or undermining strong despotic leaders have created the perfect breeding ground for the rise of ISIS and other crackpot groups. Both would be better served campaigning on issues people are more concerned about...

 

You Sir are misguided. The Irish have a remarkable appetite for learning...

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**** me, Goldie, you are cynical!

 

So he never actually said the stuff that everyone is so outraged about!

 

Seems we also disagree about the English language Col, according to me and the Oxford English Dictionary 'makes my blood boil. means 'to make someone very angry'.

Sorry if presenting a different perspective feels like a lecture. I am a bit long winded though, I don't like slogans. The reference to fighting for the Falklands for people of 'British stock' (not my phrase) was clumsy and I regret it. Interestingly though on the Falklands own website it doesn't mention 'wanting to be British'. It mentions wanting the right to self determination, which is fine by me.

I feel strongly about Hong Kong because I have a personal connection to the place and I lived through the events, which is good for knowledge but not for perspective. The very same people who hail Thatcher as a heroine over the Falklands should revile her as a traitor over Hong Kong, based on exactly the same principle. I don't see her as either really - my only regret about the Falklands was that people died and it gave her an electoral boost when she was in sub prime poll territory. Once the idiots had raised the lease issue over Hong Kong, there was only possible one outcome, on the 'might is right' principle.

We can agree to differ, but doesn't mean there can't be a dialogue. My world view changes when I learn new things, there are some things we may agree on anyway.

Look at that, another long winded one.

 

Pressure mounts on Cameron to distance himself from the DUP as his potential coalition partners make yet another gaffe:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-32443730

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/d...e-dup-are-probably-guilty-of-it-31168688.html

 

Ok Stan..........I used the wrong phrase. Jeez!!

I completely agree about self determination. If the people of The Falklands were to vote for something other than British rule, then fair enough. I think the last vote was 98% in favour.

My World view constantly changes, as you say, we live and learn. This World is one ****ed up place though, of that I'm certain.

 

That's true - he was going to say it, as per the press release, but the release had such a negative reaction from the media, Miliband watered it down for the speech

 

Why not judge him on what he actually said then, which was factual and perfectly fair imo.

 

I am where Campbell's concerned. He's part of Ed's team, and he's more than capable of getting up to his old tricks. Look what he's done to Ed on this celebrity Milifan nonsense. Ed's not the first thing Alastair's sexed up.

 

I think the row would have been greater had he not backed off from the original aggressive text

 

Huh? The row was based on something that he may have considered saying but didn't. What he actually said was perfectly reasonable. Why can't we discuss that?

 

If you disseminate a pretty shocking written statement to the press one day claiming it's the text of a forthcoming speech, guess which the press will focus on when the actual speech is moderated? That's the way it works with the media. It's hard to take something back once it's out there

 

Mets v Yankees tonight, should be a good game>

 

[QUOTE="Chaz, post: 7853345, member: 1030307"
Personally, this is about as low as a person wanting to get elected can stoop. This is a human tragedy which is still unfolding, with thousands of victims, and for Milliband to point a finger of blame at Cameron as part of his election strategy is abhorrent.[/QUOTE

Your abhorrence, Chaz, was of something that hadn't in fact happened.

Here again is what Miliband actually said

"David Cameron was wrong to assume that Libya was a country whose institutions could be left to evolve and transform on their own," he said.

"The tragedy is that this could have been anticipated. It should have been avoided.

"And Britain could have played its part in ensuring the international community stood by the people of Libya in practice rather than standing behind the unfounded hopes of potential progress only in principle."

Would you care to retract?

 

In no way is that saying Cameron has "personal responsibility for mass killings", which you wrote. And in no way as low as as a person can stoop, Chaz wrote.

 

If you're going to play the football-supporting man of the people, you should at least remember which team you 'support', Dave.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...rain-fade-for-getting-his-football-team-wrong