John Barnes says being black has damaged his career as a manager

Well if I have not got global stats on every country on earth, then I think it is obvious it is opinion mate, and you know I am not one to claim I am 100% right on things like that. I could have only 0 cred to claim it as fact for obvious reasons, is that all that was bothering you like?

There is, and not surprisingly, a little bit of emotion in such a statement, because the sheer racism there is sickening, as sickening as the rampant homophobia. But that's not just a US thing.. of course

 

There are no global stats that would prove the point, so it's always going to be a subjective opinion.

Can I ask you an honest question, have you ever actually spent any time in the States?

 

Thanks for the back up but got to take is with that, as much as I admire Toure (yaya obviously) for he is a magnificent player when at his best he is still not just about worthy of a mention in the same post as the phenomenon that is Djimi Traore!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

It's not a race card, he shot a defencless 56 year old blak man like he was a sick horse. then planted his taser near the man's body.
He has brutalised 2 more black people too.

he's not had any complaints for brutalising or murdering white people so my assumption is based on something where you are basing what you say on absolutely nothing. Can you see that. you are trying to dismiss racism, and don't bother try telling me you are not.

From your smileys I think you are also playing a game of who can win here, this is far too serious a subject for that

 

Hahaha, and he's black, and you're a Sherman, so is your use of his name in a piss taking way a form of blatant racism?

 

2 holidays and one working 6 month spell.

But you know that is totally irrelevant don;t you.

I've never been to the moon Tobes but I know what its like up there

 

I never said Americans are all racist, I said there is a lot of racism in America, there is a massive difference. wouldn't you say?

 

White Cop who has only brutalised and murdered black people, I reckon there is a good probability he's racist, not proof, but probably.

For all the deulling on here lets not forget. 8 bullets. I really find it hard to believe that if this was a white 20 year old he would have done what he did. A black man can be easily demonised, and if this video was not taken, Slager would still be a cop and that is a fact

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Is it? I don't think it is, so in your 6 months plus in the States how many acts of racist behaviour did you actually witness? And I mean anything from a black man being ignored by a white person to an act of blatant racism?

As surely when living in a country that is supposedly the most racist on the planet, that also has a black population of 13% racist acts must be everywhere lad?

Oh wait but 15% of all marriages over there are now interracial....

We all know you hate the US for whatever reason, but you're surely not daft enough to believe your assertion?

Particularly when you other favourite nation, are miles ahead of them in terms of racism and intolerance

 

@Tobes
I've been to Nevada, and worked there and I can tell you now, the police in the US are ****ING SCARY.

My mate lives there, and one one stop the cop asked him to borrow a pen cos his didn't work, as he offered the pen the cop said "now don't try stab me with that I am a very good shot"

I **** you not

 

Because staticical evidence doesn't require you to get into culture and all the other trappings, because the very nature of assessing that means you need to be removed from it ffs. Do you understand what I mean like, not being a smart ass.

You didn't quote my point and it was relevant, that I have never been to the moon, but I know what it's like, because I have looked into it, and the data we have is accurate, so why do I need to go to the US to read statistics on the penal system, the justice system and police kiling ratios. 31.2 to 1.4 black white killings, c'mon dude. I can see the racist Fox News for myself, 5 minutes watching it makes me want to vomit

When the US president says it, why do I need to go and experience racism first hand? How can I, I am not a non white?


I think you have a basic misunderstanding, I have said this 3 times now and I am that I have to say it again, that I never said ALL Americans are racist, or half ot 5% or 20% I said there is a LOT OF RACISM IN THE US. and I'll climb down a bit and say MAYBE more than any other nation on earth.

That is in NO way saying " most Americans are racist" or "50% are" ect, you get where I am coming from, 3 times, now 4 times I have made that point.

 

Maybe more than anywhere else then?

More progress....

Racism exists, some extreme bigotry in some areas, some less obvious racism in others, but it's still nowhere near the most racist place on the planet. You could argue Spain is more racist, as I don't remember the last time a black sportsman got booed at a top level national event in the States? Come on man ffs, some of the Balkan States are ****ing racist as hell, try travelling around the region as a black man, I'm sure it's a pleasure.

India, Pakistan, most of the Arab world and Israel ffs, the US would struggle to get in the top 10

 

People think i hate Americans **** do I
I hate the war mongering gov.
The military madess
The media
But you know I hate those in all nations. Not just the US< it's just that the US does most damage globally.


But the 300 million Americans I have no probs with in general, it's a great country, with great ingeniuos people, if only they would seize back their own coutry from the scumbags that that took it over,.

 

India and Pakistan, you mean former colony india, and I have met many indians over the years, frienedly is the only way I can describe indians ditto pakistanis I have met.

Never looked into that in thos ecountryes, but they are not known for it mate. Do they have millions of whites living in those countries?



More progress?

I posted a serious amount of stuff and the only things I have climbed down on is SLager was "probably racist" and the US is "Probably" the most racist planet on earth, everything else is factual Tobes, and to be honest, you've all avoided it when disagreeing that there is not massive racism in the US

Again I will quote Obama "There is deep rooted Racism in America"

John Steward "It's ****ing crazy when Neurosurgeon can;t get a cap because he's black"

As for you Spain analoogy, player booing? US Cops are killing 31.4 blacks for every 1.4 whites they kill.
The police and city officials quit their jobs because a black mayor gets elected in a Misouri town.
The federal justice system passes harsher sentences on you if you are black

You just are not listening, booing at games?

Sometimes you boggle the mind.

 

My smileys were laugh at you the master of going off on a tangent accusing me of doing so.

So now you are claiming he has "brutalised" 2 black people, thats a bit more dramatic than the claim excessive force, why the change of language? How do you know he has not had any complaints against him by white people ( i would imagaine the question has already been asked )

Just seen your pathetic jibe that I am attempting to dismiss racism and for that you can fook right off you complete bellend.

As for racism being serious, too bloody right it is and that is why it needs to be discussed in a proper manner to look at what we can do to actually address the issue. Rather that than some ranting keyboard warrior jumping in with their condescending "I know everything/you are stupid for not knowing" attitude who actually do more harm than good by turning people off the argument.

 

You see, this is what irks me, when people get all like this be cause they got owned by facts.

Lets be honest.

You got uppity cos I was in your eyes insulting the US, any claim to the contrary is a bare faced lie yand you know it.

You then proceeded to try pick any point of debate you could that you could argue because I bombed you with facts.

I accepted I can not know Slager is racist and I posted many details and went off on no tangent.

You come back with claim I go off on tangents, which are related to this debate how? You were insulted by my posts on US racism, denying that?

You see you were offended, hence you being like you are, do you have alliegence to the flag? like are you THAT stupid? I don't do flags or nationalism, to me people are people regardlesss of borders.

Your "you usually go off on tangents" is the kind of thing that annoys me when fellow reds come out with such bollocks because they got savaged by facts.
All i did wrong here was 1 claim Slager IS racist, which I accepted I cannot know, and 2 I said the US IS the most racist country on earth but accept that I should say possibly.

You see what I did there. have shown I can accept I was wrong, and agree with you, without any irratation or argument or sweeping general insults.

You see you said this

in a condescending smart assed manner and I destroyed it and it annoyed the **** out of you and any denial of that gets you no respect
You see I said country, not people, can you tell the difference or are you stupid, people vote, not countries,

Stupid nationalism where saying something about a nation to some means you are saying something about every person in that country, which is ludicrous, and borne of nationalism, which I hate.

Don't get me started on the US education system, that's one debate you don't want to have pal!

 

He has forgot about Ukraine.

 

Why are you still posting that stat?
How do you know the city officials etc quits their jobs because the person is black? Maybe it's because its a woman?

The fact is you have decided it is down to racism in that case before knowing other facts purely based on the issue that the officials involved are white.

deciding before, hmmm i am sure there is a better way of saying that?

 

I have to reiterate the points above. Of course you are not interested in that because I offended your flag I know I did

Some of the people I most admire in the world are American. Chomsky for example amongst many others.
I admire the achievements of Americans over the decades
Moves
Music
Culture
Authors
Journalists
and the many things American ingeniuty has given the world.

My favourite band of all time is American with one Brit, Them Crooked Vultures

All of that has nothing to do with the racism

 

You see this is the stupidity of such denial

There was a white mayor for 37 years, the minute a black mayor is elected they quit, **** off mate You are in denial