One concern for me , is old man Ince and he's influence on Ince jr, we all saw that towards the end of his time with Blackpool(might not be a good example) and the circus that followed on his world tour of club's he was about to join, and that what's going to happen again, and he walks leaving city out off pocket to the tune of a couple of million plus wages.
We signed Ince and he proved himself as a winger in the Championship, and he is now performing as a winger in the Championship. So why did we play him upfront? I think it was a good signing as he proved himself in the Championship so it was worth a risk signing him, if he does come back lets at least play him in his best position.
He can't just 'walk'. We will sell him either over this summer or in January if he's not signing a new contract.
He's only on a two year contract, so if he wishes he could talk to other club's after 1st January 2016, contract run's out in the summer of 2016, there was a lot of raised eye brows when he signed only a two year contract .
Presumably we'd still get a compo payment if that were the case? Can't imagine we'd be stupid enough to sign him to a two year contract otherwise- oh hand on, maybe we would be.
if he's still under 23 in the summer of 2016 it would go to a tribunal is my understanding. if over 23 then he'd be a free agent.
Tom Cairney and Liam Cooper are decent examples of talents that got away. Cairney is getting awesome reviews at Blackburn and Cooper is captaining leeds. Neither got much of a chance under us and both are now proven quality players. I expect both to be playing in the PL in the very near future.
I think he may have the same attitude as his father has. We all know how arrogant and conceited he is. So it would appear, to me, to be like father like son.
I know I'm a broken record but Ince only got chances playing in that ridiculous striker role we use, which is like playing Jelavic at full back and then writing him off. All his goals are the same, he cuts in from the right and scores with his left. So what do we do? Up front, back to goal, long balls. Then when he struggles to win all his headers we loan him out at the earliest opportunity.
Ince was limp for us. Akin to a wet lettuce. Have Derby improved as a team since signing him on loan? That's what counts -- not the goal tally (though both would be nice).
Gotten worse if anything. As their manager argued though, hard to tell if they'd actually be even worse if not for him. Considering he rescued them a point after they went behind twice on the weekend, hard to argue he isn't helping the team.
It's certainly true that we haven't played him in his best position, had Snodgrass not got injured in the opening game there's a chance we'd have switched to 4-4-2 more often and things could have turned out very differently. What concerns me, is how easily he was knocked off the ball in the Premier League games, that's not down to position he was playing, it's down to him being lightweight. I think Aluko is exactly the same, bags of talent, looks a world beater in the Championship, but in the Premier League he spend half his time sat on the deck moaning at the ref.
As a striker you will spend far more time with your back to the goal having to hold the ball up than you will as a winger. As a youngster who is needing to adapt to the Premier League, playing out of position won't help and writing him off after so few games is the wrong thing to do. If we stay up I would give him a chance as i think he has shown he deserves one. If we are not going to play with wingers though, why did we buy him?
The evidence is overwhelming. His level is the Championship. He cannot cope at the higher level either physically or mentally. If Derby offer us what we paid for him, then we should snap their hands off.
But if he was running at people at speed he wouldn't be knocked off all the time like he is when he's expected to hold it up. It's not like defenders in the PL are bigger than in the Championship.
Is prem league football really more physically demanding than championship football? It's the other way around surely?
