Off Topic Great Britain General Election May 7th 2015.

Check yourself mate, claiming someone is playing the race card because they think there is an issue with racism is the sort of elite discourse that is the most common form of racism.

The people that display this sort of thing will say things like "race card" and "i am not racist but.." though when they are face to face said race they do not act in a racist manner, not because they hide it but becaue they are forced to reconcile the stereoyype with the person before them.

 

You are correct , but the probability is that if the UK withdrew from the EU, it could possibly be the death of the EU. There are several EuroSkeptic nations, and if the UK pulled out, I reckon Greece would follow within months as well as several other nations, Ireland could not afford to not trade with the UK, it would destroy the Irish economy, they would also follow

 

No chance.

 

Why's that., re read my post I added a bit.

There are already many political parties in many countries looking for w way out. One of those is the constitutions of said countries, Ireland has a get out clause, as Lisbon was against our constitution, forcing a second vote was unconstitutional. That is grounds for exiting the EU, only the current parties were literally bought by the EU with nice seats in parliament and important positions which is tantamount to bribery

 

Twisted logic I'm afraid

You're attempting to argue that anyone who uses the phrase 'race card' is a closet racist, that's complete and utter bullshit. The phase has arisen because sometimes people DO use racism as a convenient coverall for their particular agenda. In doing so they disrespect peoples intelligence and do the entire cause no good whatsoever.

 

The EU wouldn't die without the UK, I've no idea what tangible effect it'd have on Ireland and I don't care tbh.

 

The EU, like its football competitions has suffered from getting over-inflated. If the UK seceded then several others might follow, but I don't think that would mean the end of it.
It might even be advantageous to the union for some of the weaker economies to leave.
I don't think the UK should- there are obvious problems with the EU, but imo, the correct strategy is to try and correct it rather than chuck the whole thing out.

 

This clampdown on language and on discussion about race and about immigration is one of the main reasons given for the rise of UKIP. What's wrong with saying that someone is playing the race card? If that's what you really think and not as a means of demeaning the guy. The same with immigration. There is concern about it. What's wrong in talking about it. The main parties have been reluctant to talk about it in case they get accused of being racist. The Rotherham grooming scandal was another example of political correctness leading to people afraid to do the right thing.

 

Why would Ireland need to pull out of Europe to trade with the UK??? And Greece is hardly a European powerhouse.

You just have to look at how many countries have clambered to enter the EU over the last 15 years and how many still want to (e.g. Turkey). Ofcourse the EU dont want the UK to leave, but the real powerhouses are still Germany and France. While they're still at the heart of the EU it is the place to be.

 

Not quite, the rise of most extreme or single-ideology parties is usually down to recession more than anything. Ppl want someone to blame. I remember the first elected BNP councillor in Tower Hamlets in 1992...once again during a recession.

 

100% agree with this but i hate it when i feel people are playing the race card. Maybe i'm a closet racist but i will always joke about playing the race card because positive discrimination is not the right way to go (how you ever eradicate racism though, i don't know).

I'm not a particularly big fan of UKIP being chinese and all but i can see why UKIP is attractive. I didn't listen to the debate for long but Ed the Red Milliband was just coming out with political spiel. I heard about the housing policies part of the debate and Ed came out with nothing. Just some spiel about how we don't build any houses and he's going to build 200,000 more houses and some other politician rhetoric (he did speak about use it or lose to developers which i agreed with). Not an actual policy. Cue the applause from labour crowd.

Farage on the otherhand came out about building the house over brownfield sites that are currently not being used which i found fairly sensible and an actual policy. He did mention it being for ONLY british citizens which is discriminatory which i'm not sure i agree with but we do need to get rid of this investment culture of overseas buyers purely buying property as an investment. I know all these new builds in the south are being directly marketed overseas to Hong Kong and chinese clients who have never set foot in the UK.

 

That's the thing though Treble. We've not been in a recession for years though and still the common man is still feeling the pinch.

 

p.s. i'm not voting either, i don't believe any of the politicians or their manifestos and they are all in it for themselves

 

Technically not but as you say the average man is still feeling hardship. It is a period of austerity and it's the poorest who are bearing the greatest burden. You now point to these Romanians and Polish taking our jobs, being a burden on our NHS, and taking our housing - and all of a sudden you have someone to blame.

I am NOT comparing UKIP to the Nazis but their rise to power, particularly Hitler's in the latw 20's early 30's and his arguments and political ideology, was exactly for the same reasons. Austerity and economics.

 

The EU is a pile of ****.

All member states bar what 2 or 3 Denmark Sweden and the UK did not take the Euro, and those countries avoided financial occupation by the ECB in Germany because those 3 countries control their own currency, meaning they can make their economies more competitive as a result, every other EU nation does not have that ability as the currency in their country is controlled by the ECB in Frankfurt Germany.

Euroskepticism is at an all time high and the EU showed it's hand by the lengths it went to to keep Greece in the EU.

Also, the swathes of national assets belonged to the greek people, not the greek government. Yet it was all sold off to vultures to pay ECB and IMF loans (AND private investors in greek government bonds ). Same for many other member states so..

what you have is, all national assets being flogged to fill the ECB and IMF coffers at the cost of the populations who own those assets, not politicians, and also they get to pay the bailout with austerity too a nice double edged sword.

The EU is a ****ing disaster because all economies are now subserviant to the Germany economy because they control the EU currency.

The UK was 1000% correct not taking the Euro or getting full into the EU

 

Agreed and that is the one concern that most people have. I would like to believe that this wouldn't happen to us but i know how easy it is for people to get wrapped in the following the masses.

As i said, it was only a small part of the debate that i heard and Farage was actually coming out with some policies. Nicola Sturgeon from the SNP held her own very well as well

 

I agree tbh but I just cant bring myself to not vote. If labour had voted in Ed's brother as Leader I think there would have been a man of substance....maybe. They are all so bloody uninspiring. It's no surprise that Farage comes across as having depth among that lot.

 

Greece was the perpetrator of its own downfall not the EU.

They needed bailing out as they'd massively over spent and the sale of their national assets to pay the bill is no-ones fault but their own. They elected their own Govt so to excuse the people of all responsibility for the pay back is ludicrous, as they had the benefits of the over spend, now they're taking the pain.

Spain and Portugal suffered more than most even realise post the crash for similar reasons, youth unemployment in both countries has been absolutely horrendous, but it's not the fault of the EU.

 

The EU doesn't need a shared currency controlled centrally by Germany. It never needed it.

Things still cost different amounts depending on where you are in the EU, jobs pay differently. Nothing is normalised.

The only real difference is a bunch of bankers that have nothing to do with any given country control the amount of currency and therefor inflation interest and the ability of said member states to compete.

Financial occupation.

 

The greek economy only went tits up AFTER taking the Euro, they lost the ability to decide how competitive they were in the European market because they had no control over their own currency, it is true that their salaries rose more than their productivity but they lost any ability to address it, devaluing your own currency makes you competitive and they couldn't do that, you are just laying out a simplistic version over a VERY shot timeframe, the issues began long before the arse fell out of greece.

Only when it's cost of borrowing went dramatically up did the economy **** itself, but it was destined to happen with the Euro currency, and no control over said currency