Off Topic Great Britain General Election May 7th 2015.

same goes for Tobes, this subject is not his thing, yet he is an expert, much of what I post comes from memory, where his posts are ridicule, ipion and links he has not even read himself, he just googles and looks for the first linnk that looks like it might back his uninformed opinion

 

Not really, I look at teh facts compared ot the oficial story, and if things don;t add up, one digs deeper.

Our of all the events that go on in the world, one could make a conspiracy theory up out of anything. Take the Malaysian airlines for example, I don't know the facts or the official line and I've not got into it because I just don;t know, the plane just disappeared, even though there are many theories out there I have no interest because I just cannot get the facts, no one can the plane just disappeared but 9\11 and 7\7 has massive amounts of evidence contradicting the official stories
Then you have to look at motive. Motive is important

 

Oh the irony

Posted by the man who's just posted a pic of his latest google search.

You couldn't make it up

 

No. There's massive amounts of ****e written by conspiracist cranks who've collectively embellished it and created ridiculous myths about both events, that gullible anti establishment types have lapped up and now peddle as 'fact'

 

I would probably go with "some " evidence that doesn't fit with official stories, and whilst they deserve investigation they don't necessarily prove that something else happened. Probably if you toned your rhetoric down a tad more people would look and listen to what you post (although not all).

 

Your certainty that the official line must be true is probably more dangerous than sisu's believe nothing line, as surely even you will agree governments have lied many times to try to fool the people about wars etc.

 

My certainty about the subject of 9/11 is based on watching it unfold live on the ****ing box and then seeing the conspiracy theories debunked one by one. I've come to a considered conclusion based on reading and experience, so your patronising tripe is wasted on me.

 

Yep because you are always right there is no need for any further discussion.

 

This party hasn't been invited t any of the televised debates but they will still contest loads of seats in the election,.
They even have a manicfesto.

The Official Monster Raving Loony Party

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Policy Proposals
Tuition fees
27th February 15
Well once again the main parties are stealing our election proposals. Today Ed Moribund has declared that they would reduce University Tuition fees to much media acclaim.
I didn’t notice the same amount of acclaim when we announced in our Manicfesto:
E. Education. All University Tuition fees for women would be free as we are strong believers in Female intuition. (Due to gender equality laws we would include males as well)


New proposals
14th January 15
We propose to cancel stamp duty…….stamps are expensive enough so we shouldn’t have to pay duty on them.

Besides leap years, there needs to be hop, skip, and jump years (thanks to Brassdancer)

Parliament will be relocated to Wormwood Scrubs, reducing the commuting costs for most Peers and MPs. (thanks to WolfBaginski)


Heritage refund
5th November 14
We will reduce the national debt by selling the castles back to the French. (Buyer dismantles)


Points make prizes
5th November 14
Tax payers to receive Nectar Points from HMRC


E.U Budget Adjustment and other news
25th October 14
We can confirm that the Loony party was not notified of the E.U budget demand of £1.7bn before George Osborne or David Cameron.
Also in the news the BBC in keeping with their policy of not important news coverage will be televising the incarceration of Oscar Pistorius 24 hours a day. Yes you can see the riveting instalments of Oscar sitting in a cell for 5 years. You can see Oscar walking around his cell and his special hour of Recreation. .Ping Pong exclusives …..Don’t miss the Slopping Out Special Highlights.


Asda’s equality policy
24th October 14
The Loony Party being strong advocates of equal pay agree that the women workers of Asda should have equal pay with the men.
We have it on good authority that George Osborne also agrees with this, and to save needless court costs, has asked for the men’s wages to be reduced accordingly.


Recycled Policies
7th October 14
It is proposed that all, leaflets, brochures, circulars, manifestoes, posters etc, used by any Political Party during an election, be collected up recycled and given to the local Food Banks for free distribution as toilet paper.


Unicorns and free travel
30th September 14
We propose to make unicorns a protected species?

It is proposed to introduce free travel on trams and buses for musicians as they bring joy into people’s lives…. Obviously


Food safety policy
26th May 14
All Food sold in fast food establishments should be clearly marked

“May contain traces of real food”

All vegetables sold in supermarkets, should be clearly marked

“Strictly for oral use only”

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Fowl Weather policy
26th May 14
We propose the removal of funding for weather prediction as they seem to get it wrong most of the time anyway. This money would then be redirected into an extensive scientific research scheme to find out what actually came first, the chicken or the egg?

thanks to Professor Michelle ‘Humpty Dumpty’ Grove

http://www.loonyparty.com/about/policy-proposals/

 

rhetoric lol. and no, a little is one or two things, a lot is many things, and there is a lot about both that don't add up. If you know about the whole 9\11 issue wouldn't be saying a little that's for sure.

Another thing about 7\7 is, people don't play cricket the day before they go blow themselves and other poor souls up.

As for all this "conspiracy" stuff

I don't go anywhere near conspiracy sites.
Military and political history, real history, not the garbage peddled out as history, reading the work of political scientists authors and investigative journalists worth their salt. Chomsky was also an eye opener, esepcially to the truth about all these regime changes and wars and how the media is used to shape your thoughts and opinions, I'd rather think for mysle fbut given reactions, it's pretty clear the media apparatus works because they actually have people like these clowns doing their work for them, keeping the truth hidden. It's been done so well that it is now a sin to even question the official line and fools like some on here will line up to do exactly what is wanted of them, without them even relising it, although the ego and wanting to "win" an argument rather than discuss a topic also plays a part for some

Conspiracy, fraud false flag and wars for profit and geostrategy\politics, starting revolutions and then smashing them, are all very real, even the nest of ****s in Westminster is real, and it goes higher too. But that's just conspiracy theory yeah? Even when the ruth about the contras came out, the CIA allowing the contras to bring their heorine to the US to make money for their military campaigns and the CIA telling them to avoid fighting the military and hit civilian targets instead, all real. You've no ****ing idea, the people behind the US and UK govs, the real power have dome **** that has led to the deaths of 28 million people SINCE WWII. But obviously a sap with a web browser can debunk all of that with laugh smiley and a link to fox news

All of that is what led to this, not going on to a website, and reading a lot of nut bags bleating on about stupid theories, and **** me there is a lot out there. You'll often here UIR say Lizard people.

I don't claim to be 100% about anything, but it seems talking about it draws arseholes out of the woodwork

When you realise how the world really works and the **** that really goes on, the stuff left out of what you are taught growing up by education and media, you look closer with different eyes

Then I get "debunked" by people who go looking for the first conspiracy debunk web site, when that is as bad as going to the conspiracy sites.

Even your "rhetoric" comment, straight from the ****ing media ( I say that because you only use that word because you don't agree with me, if you did you would not use that word, meaning it's got nothing to do with the merit of what I am saying at all), affecting how you think, you will deny it, everyone does till they ****ing snap out of it, IF they want to, as I said many times, ignorance is bliss and many prefer it that way.

 

NHS finance problem being ignored, says former boss
By Jane Dreaper & Nick Triggle BBC News

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The NHS is facing a "substantial financial problem" which politicians are ignoring in the election campaign, the former head of the service says.
Sir David Nicholson, who retired last year, told the BBC the NHS in England was accruing large deficits which would become "crystal clear" later this year.
But he said instead of talking about how to address these, politicians were focusing on expanding services.
He said the situation caused him "very great concern".
In an interview for BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Sir David - who ran the NHS in England for eight years - said that because there was an election period, the NHS was unable to publish the latest report on its financial position.
But he said it was "pretty clear in the NHS that there is a substantial financial problem, particularly in the hospital sector" which would become "crystal clear" in the autumn.
During the interview he said:

• It would be "helpful" if Labour committed to an extra £8bn of funding, as the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats have
• But all parties needed to make it available immediately, not by the end of the parliament
• Politicians were talking about extra services when there was already a "financial hole"
• Planned NHS efficiencies of £22bn were a "big ask"
• Failure to achieve them would lead to "managed decline" of the NHS and patients waiting longer for treatment
• He expects "emergency action" such as vacancy freezes to tackle the financial difficulties
• The coalition government's NHS reforms were a "surprise" and "significant distraction"
• He defended his role in Stafford Hospital scandal where he spent 10 months in charge of the local health authority in 2005 and 2006

Policy guide: Health and care
This issue includes NHS funding, GP access and social care, particularly of older people.
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Policy guide: Where the parties stand
Sir David predicted the scale of the problem would be bigger than the one he inherited in 2006 on becoming NHS chief executive, when the health service had accrued a £1bn deficit.
"I have not heard in most of the conversations politicians are having at the moment about what they're going to do about that financial hole.
"They want to talk about extra services and extra investment when actually there is a problem there to face."
He said the NHS would have to take "emergency action" such as vacancy freezes.
But he added: "It will also mean the politicians having to suspend some of their ambitions about the new things they want to do while some of the money that's being promised to the NHS is spent dealing with that particular operational problem."

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Who is Sir David?
Sir David Nicholson spent more than 30 years working in the health service. His first chief executive post was in 1988 at Doncaster and Montagu Hospital Trust and he moved into regional NHS management in the late 1990s and became head of the Birmingham and Black Country health authority in 2003.
Two years later he also took charge of two neighbouring organisations, including the one that oversaw Stafford Hospital.
He became chief executive of London's health authority in April 2006, but within months took over from Lord Crisp to run the whole health service - a job he held until last April. He now advises governments across the world about health care.

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Sir David also said the financial problems were going to be there for the medium term.
He told the BBC: "We need to institute proper financial discipline in the system... and to make some short-term decisions, to enable us to be in a position where literally we're not building on sand; that actually there is a stable financial base on which you then can take forward the big changes that are needed."
The ex-NHS boss said change would require political consensus.

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Analysis
By Nick Triggle, health correspondent
Sir David Nicholson is articulating what those in the health service have been saying to each other throughout this election campaign: that politicians are living in a parallel universe.
All the evidence suggests the NHS needs extra money just to stand still.
But while politicians have promised to cough up, they are all twinning that extra money with promises of more. More doctors and nurses, faster treatment and seven-day services.
NHS staff have met this with a mix of resignation and despair - Unison has already warned of industrial action over the Conservatives plan for seven-day services.
But it will also mean whichever party, or parties, form the next government, the pressure will be on to deliver.
After promising so much, the electorate will be expecting more than many experts predict is possible to deliver.

£100bn
NHS England budget for 2014-15
£30bn
Shortfall predicted by 2020

• That could fund 100 hospitals
• New ways of working could save £22bn
• But NHS still needs an extra £8bn

Source: NHS England
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'Managed decline'
Last autumn Sir David's successor Simon Stevens set out a five-year plan for the NHS in which he said the health service would need an extra £8bn by 2020 - something the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats have committed to in this campaign.
Sir David said it would be "helpful" if Labour made clear whether it too would commit to this figure, which he said needed to be spent at the beginning of the parliament.
The call for an extra £8bn a year was on the basis that the NHS could make £22bn of efficiency savings.
But Sir David cast doubt on whether the NHS could deliver this scale of savings, saying it was "a big ask".
"There is no healthcare system in the world that's delivered this scale. But you could get close.
"But it means actually a united political clinical and managerial leadership in the NHS with a proper debate and discussion with the population about what this all means in practice," he said.
Sir David has warned that if the savings are not made, it could lead to a "managed decline", which would involve patients waiting longer for treatment, new drugs not being made available straight away and it becoming more difficult to see a GP.
'Really challenging'
Lib Dem Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg said Sir David and his successor were right to expect parties to explain how they would come up with the funding required for the NHS.
He said the Lib Dems had been "very clear" about where the extra £8bn a year would come from, citing plans to change capital gains tax relief and by tying NHS spending to the proceeds of economic growth.
A Conservative spokesperson said: "We agree that the NHS faces a significant financial challenge over the next Parliament. This is why we have committed to finding at least an extra £8bn a year by 2020."
Ed Balls, for Labour, said: "We are the only party with a fully funded plan to get extra investment into our NHS with an extra £2.5bn a year - and we'll start straight away in our first budget."
Anita Charlesworth, chief economist at the Health Foundation, said she agreed with Sir David.
She said: "NHS finances can only be described as dire at the moment, three-quarters of our hospitals can't balance their books and at the turn of the year they were running a deficit of £900m.
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And he's off again! I used the word rhetoric because that is exactly the bit you need to tone down. You will never convince people to change sometimes strongly held views when you are also telling them that they are wrong, stupid, sheeple, saps, clowns etc. There is a proverb that goes somewhat along the lines of if you want people to listen carefully then speak quietly, because your approach of a mentalist on a million miles per hour all-inclusive insulting rant just makes you look like you are exactly that kind of mentalist that nobody will take seriously.

 

Some of us prefer reality, others prefer crank conspiracy theories.

 

Facts or fiction?

 

Exactly right. He clumps together all of his favourite agendas under one all encompassing umbrella. For example, his rant about the covert US involvement in the Soviet / Afghan war, which is fact, and then deciding that this was proof of their direct funding of Bin Laden, when he wasn't even part of the group that they had contact with. He believes in every crank theory going, he loves them, it's not a menu for him, he thinks you should consume the entire spectrum of 'alternative' theories, and if you don't you're somehow naive and a victim of media manipulation.

 

Got a right telling off from woman at work yesterday when I said I never have voted and wasn't going to this year either

 

‘Christ be with UKIP’: Christians in Pakistan pray for a Farage election victory
http://rt.com/uk/250545-christians-pakistan-ukip-prayers/

If UKIP win, prayers won't get them immigration visas

 

Ah sure it's ony a US senator with the leader of ISIS 2 years before ISIS appear

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and the same senator with a guy who eats human flesh

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Rightly so too. People thought and died so you could vote!