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Match Day Thread The Breakfast Debate / Leeds Utd v Norwich Match thread

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by ellandback, Apr 14, 2015.

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Scoreline : Leeds Utd v Norwich City

Poll closed Apr 15, 2015.
  1. 0-0

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  2. 1-1

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  3. 2-2

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  4. 3-3 or higher

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  5. Leeds by 1 goal

    14.8%
  6. Leeds by 2 goals

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  7. Leeds by 3 or more goals

    7.4%
  8. Leeds by 3 or more goals

    7.4%
  9. Norwich by 1

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  10. Norwich by 2

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  1. southernwhite

    southernwhite Well-Known Member

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    I to would love to see grayson back with a bit of money to spend,but he will never come back,look at whats happening at preston,they will be in the championship next season,and i wouldn't be surprised at all if they challenged for promotion,where i would be surprised if we were.just goes to show what a descent owner & manager can do for an ailing club,note Bournemouth.
     
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  2. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member
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    And hungry for success
     
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  3. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member
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    Well put Southernwhite. I agree 100%. And Grayson is Leeds thru and thru
     
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  4. davy

    davy Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. Both you and Elland have mentioned Grayson, but he's not coming back - unfortunately. So who are we likely to attract unless the ownership changes?

    Nobody else has any realistic suggestions.
     
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  5. Orion

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    I dont have the answer at all. But just wanted to point out that there was a good number on here, myself included, that DID NOT want Redfearn to get the job in the first place who predicted it would end in tears. He should never have left his role as academy coach. As head coach he is tactically inept and our good spell was mostly down to luck.

    I think your reasoning behind your post is spot on. We should be looking for useful ways to see our side moving forwards and I for one think it has to start with a new head coach. And I wish I knew the answer. All I know at this time is that we need someone tactical astute with good pedigree/proven experience and for a chairman to spend money required to get said man. Not the cheapest option available! Timing is perfect now though, as any new coach needs a full pre-season behind him.

    Failing finding someone top draw willing to come, I'd perhaps take a punt on Jimmy Floyd. I appreciate this is a risk, but I do feel that the team we have currently is fully capable of a mid-table finish and our recent flirtation with the lower reaches of the division have not been down to the talent available on the field, more the mis-management of the coaching staff. I'm not holding Redfearn to blame for this entirely, as he was the third head coach this season. But a true motivator with a full pre-season behind him could serious allow us to mount a play-off bid next season, with the caveat of a few key signings.
     
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  6. esteponawhite

    esteponawhite Well-Known Member

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    Short memories,grayson was clueles
    Lets move forward lads,not backwards.
     
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  7. southernwhite

    southernwhite Well-Known Member

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    What about malky mckay,i know he has a big mouth,but i think we need someone with a bit of fire in their belly,also some one who can spot good hardworking british talent,someone who can assemble a unit that gives their all in a game,i personally don't think all these foreighn players are up to a hard slog.
     
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  8. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Can we afford good British players though?
     
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  9. davy

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    Orion, reasoned and tenable argument. If the club chooses to upset the managerial applecart again, which in my opinion will be a mistake, JFH might be a better punt than most, and I appreciate the response to my original post.

    Who else do we think might be a fit?
     
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  10. FORZA LEEDS

    FORZA LEEDS Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, he was clueless
     
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  11. davy

    davy Well-Known Member

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    Suspect Preston are quite a happy. I reckon he's a more mature manager now and will attract attention from the PL going forward.
     
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  12. southernwhite

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    Do you need to spend millions on players,i don't think Bournemouth did and look at whats happened their,i just goes to show what a descent tactically aware manager can do with,lets face it an ordinary bunch of players,although im sure their value has increased signifently this season,hmm i wonder if we could poach Eddie Howe:biggrin:
     
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  13. davy

    davy Well-Known Member

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    Maybe we should just employ a tactically aware number 2 to work alongside Redders...oh, wait a minute...:headbang:
     
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  14. southernwhite

    southernwhite Well-Known Member

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    LOL
     
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    southernwhite Well-Known Member

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    Oh well i'm off to bed now,gnight all & no footballing nightmares,we will leave all that, to inside the elland road ground.:emoticon-0150-hands
     
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  16. LeedsLover

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    All good points Davey,

    We were asking same questions when BM was here and the fans cornered Cellino in carpark, we've mentioned a few similar comments when Hockaday and Darko were here. Most fans didn't want to give Hock and Darko a chance but they did with Redders when he was also losing a lot of games, probably because he was Redders and ran the academy. Most fans would probably support the tea lady in same way if she was coach.

    With Redders temp role we had 3 wins and a draw scoring 3 goals in 2 games but scoring in all 4 games, we had 2 strikers and some midfield players that knew how and did feed our strikers and looked like promotion contenders, we added Blackpool and table topping Derby to our scalps scoring more than 1 goal in each game. Darko took over and tinkered with team, Redfearn took over and tinkered with team eventually bringing in academy boys and Murphy, Morison and Austin on a regular basis, out went the midfielders who were feeding the strikers and out went the strikers, resulting in a lack of scoring opportunities, shots and goals.

    During Redders temp role Cellino signings were getting plaudits from fans, now some have turned against them, either because they hate Cellino, or have forgotten what we had before Darko and Redders started tinkering with team.

    We haven't been playing better football since Redders took over in my opinion, but have had a lot of luck since turn of year. The results before Thommo and after Thommo suggest Redders doesn't have it as a coach.

    What's the answer? many seem to be using Cellino as a scapegoat which, imo shouldn't have anything to do with on field performances if the coach knows what he's doing. When things are broken we need to fix them, if square pegs don't fit in round holes then we need to find, or bring back the round pegs. Redders, imo, tried to put some square pegs in round holes, we have regularly had opponents run through our midfield and his striker selection leaves a lot to be desired.

    Owner perceptions aside, we need a coach who picks the team based on the opponents we play, and isn't biased towards any player irrespective of age or Country of origin. What Redders did with Adryan was wrong imo, seems to me he has a grudge against him, or doesn't know how to bring him on, he's probably set Adryans career back and nulled his confidence. When Redders made subs it always seemed to be Adryan and Bianchi, even when they were playing well.

    I remember watching Yeboah and Radebe, no one cared what colour they were or where they come from if they had an off game, but rightly so loved their performances during games.

    While many are going on about the off field antics, contributions are also being made from dressing, the dressing room seems to be split.
     
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  17. BillysStatue

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    fcuk Grayson


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  18. davy

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    Ok LL, So, given the Championship round holes, who gave Redfern the square pegs? They weren't his signings. Could that be why there's a split dressing room?

    Adryan will make it somewhere when he steps up. At the moment he's coasting, and deserves the lack of playing time he's getting. Shape up, ship out.
     
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  19. LeedsLover

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    For me the the dressing room split happened not long after Redders took over when he started ousting some of the Cellino signings and prefered his academy boys, later it was highlighted by Warnock and Morison then mentioned by Sharp.

    Redders was / is creating his own square pegs by continually picking his same midfield where our biggest problems lay imo, we get run over virtually every game, but these are Redders boys and favourites, he ain't going to change'em unless forced, irrespective of the bad games they have.

    We have better midfielders in Bianchi and Adryan, Monty can play attacking LM, Adryan creates more impact than Cook does and Bianchi was very good at breaking up opposing attacks as well as being able to pass accurately and tackle. Granted Bianchi is now injured but he wasn't when Redders kept dropping him or subbing him.

    Redders shouts the loudest about Cook, but imo he hasn't provided any impact to team, he gets lots of attention because Redders never stops harping on about him. Notice Redders wouldn't give Adryan a start after Cook got injured.

    If I put up some stats chances are you may say you don't follow stats, but stats are created from performances, and Adryans stats are better than Cooks, even though Cook has started 37 times.

    Morison and Sharp up front, another two very big square pegs trying to be squeezed into small holes by Redders. Morison can't score passed a blind, one legged granny on crutches, that was so obvious yet Redders didn't care. Sharp scores once a blue moon, next time Sharp scores Davy, look at the night sky after, if he scores of course.

    Redders created an unsolvable puzzle by playing about 5 players out of position against Norwich, but that is what Redders does rather than bring in players more suited to those positions, square pegs in round holes. Berardi is even proving to be much better than Taylor now down that left flank, he had a couple of games to find his feet again and has done well since. Why couldn't Redders do that with other players he's ousted?

    It took Thommos sacking for some to start seeing Redders for what type of coach he really is, same happened with BM, and I copped a lot of flack for that one.

    For me Redders has turned the team topsy turvy because of his obsession with his boys and favourites.
     
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  20. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    I didn't say they were any good. But in the previous 43 league games we have proved beyond reasonable doubt that apart from Cook and Mowatt that most of the others are poor or on a good day average. We were always going to lose. To watch Norwich take the piss out of us for an hour while they played keep ball and our lazy cnuts just watched was indicative of how bad we really are. If anyone still thinks there has been any progress in the last two years they are just wrong.
     
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