Off Topic Great Britain General Election May 7th 2015.

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Nice straw man argument, the argies occupied the contested Islands without hurting a soul you eejit, Thatcher started the killing.

You don't know anything about WWII then do you?

Pacific war a joke, you were just in the way of the Americans in the hope of retaining colonies, something the Americans were not going to pay for with the lives of their own troops. Utterly delusional on the part of the British elite.
Gallipoli - Disaster
Market Garden - Disaster
Dieppe - Disaster
Africa - Disaster
Greece - disaster.
France Disaster
Norway disaster
Falklands disaster, it should have been a no contest conflict with Britain haivng the military power to scare Argentina out of there, except Thatcher went off ona rage rant instead needlessly costing British lives, funny how you can sit there and say we won? Any of your relatives die in that conflict? Nope? thought so.
Iraq a ****ing comedy. - Boots melting, guns not working and gear absolutely falling apart due to the incompetent planning of the military leadership

Now if you all the Americans showing up to save your ass "Going quite well" then good for you.


Now don't get me wrong, the British military excell at dropping bombs on tribes and gassing them and taking on ill armed and trained primitive peoples or being an auxillary for NATO where they don't do much, except bombing countries without an airforce to defend itself like Yugoslavia Libya ect



Churchill spend so much time trying to convince the Americans that going through Africa to Europe was the best option, Eisenhower was sick of the sight and sound of the fat little extremely racist alcoholic. Churchill supported the facist Franco in Spain too as did your military leadership, blocking any and all support for the Spanish republicans

This is the sentiment of your elite establishment 1937

Winston fat racist Churchill sowing his true colours, Hitlerish one would imagine.

The Conservatives got him thrown out of the Admiralty because he was a raging alcoholic idiot.

 

You basically hate British history

Such a one sided account and such hatred for Churchill lol

"It is a fine thing to be honest, but it is also very important to be right"

 

Sorry mate, but I merely said the leadership was pathetic, as do many British historians, that's just BBCesque paraphrasing from you, I never said that at all. philo beddoe disagreed so I elaborated, I did not offer this stuff up in the first place, just educating the lad for free you know

Am I wrong in anything I said in that post? Churchill was an epic racist and an alcoholic who was deemed an idiot by his own conservatives.

You don't get it do you, most if not all of what I have said, it comes from British historians you log head Don't you know your own nation's recent history?

 

I think you will find I actually love British modern military history, why else would I know it so well

History is awsome, I can see the same mistakes being made over and over again cos I learned them from history when others have made the mistakes in the past, that is what history is about, how you learn from it, learn the mistakes, which is why politicains have "political amnesia". That's how you know politics and government haven't changed a bit in 70 years, truth be told nothing has changed in 700 years

 

Churchill was most definitely an alcoholic and by today's standards he'd definitely be a racist. He was also a fantastic war time leader who made tough decisions which allowed us to prosper. His decision to sink/capture the French navy to avoid the Germans getting there hands on the ships, was a key reason the US joined us.

He was also a man able to bring together the nation, to stir up great British pride and this ability to rouse the British public helped us get through the war. You made a comment about someone not having had relatives die in the Falklands so not being able to pass judgement, yet you have strong views on Churchill but were not around and your finish so your relatives weren't either, to see what Churchill did for this country.

He was a human and like all humans he had his flaws but he deserves more respect than to be remembered as a racist alcoholic, despite both of those things being true!

 

You are wrong in some of your assessments of the campaigns in WW2 though.

 

ah here, can you not say why? Isn't that the essence of debate, I offer my argument and then you yours.

 

The Americans became involved in WW2 because the Japanese & Germans declared war on them and had **** all to do with Britain sinking the French fleet.If the Germans hadn't declared war on them the yanks would have been happy to fight the Pacific war on their own.

 

I think you might just be putting too much stock in Winston and he was a racist by any measure not torays, he saw other people as lower forms of humans. That is the most extreme form of racism there is, and it is throughout the establishment to this very day.

Churchill was kicked out of the Admiralty for being a clutterfuck by his own Conservatives ffs. His peers deemed him a complete fool.
No one who drinks whiskey for breakfast makes good decisions, big deal about his speech, someone wrote it for him, and told him what to say, he was surrounded by intelligent people as are all idiot politicians, take away the advisors and consultants and they are worthless.

Everything his hand touched in a military area turned to ****.

btw the only thing that saved Britain from invasion by Germany was Goring deciding it would be better to stop bombing the RAF and bomb civilians instead.

 

Tories announce Right to Buy for ppl in Housing Association homes.

Farage's response "How do we know they will go to British ppl?"

He's like a broken fckin record. What a d1ck

 

The African campaign was not a disaster for a start

 

Sorry mate can't agree, whilst the Americans didn't give a **** about Europe, they say Germany as a threat IF they controlled all of Europe and rightly so. The US was about to declare war on Germany, Hitler merely preempted it with his own delcaration in bombastic fashion, it was nothing but huff and puff to get in the declaration first
American would always enter the war because they could not afford to just sit it out. The US population was the biggest obstacle, as well as many Amerians of note supporting the Nazis, like George Bush jnr's grandaddy, Prescot Bush and henry Ford, Walt Disney and before war broke out the British Royal family and even Churchill were fond of the Nazis.

The sinking of that ship, was intentional, there was a discussion between the British and Americans about what if a ship were to be sunk, how would the US population take it. So they sent the ship into waters they knew had uboats lurking.

 

Some historians also think the power of the Royal navy would have made it difficult for any invasion

 

Walt Disney & Ford were both well known anti semites

 

The African campaign. the British military were rolled up and only because the under supported Germans ran out of supplies did they halt, then the Americans came in with all the goodies and airsupport and the Rommel got pushed right back, stripped of any real support from Hitler

The only and I mean only reasons the Germans didn't wipe British forces off the map was malta and the immense gains the Germans had conquered already in Europe and elsewhere, they were overcommitted. The Germans never got nearly enough support and Hitler treated Africa as a sideshow. While Rommel had anything near parity in forces he made mince of British forces. Shortage supplies were the only thing that stopped him, a shortage caused by planes from malta hitting shipping and as I said Hitler stiffing Rommel on equipment and men.

Fortune saved you there and then the Americans finished the job, albeit with Monty in command

 

The Americans were quite happy to sit by prior to that point in the war. We had been trying to persuade them to join us and upon attacking our own allies the Americans decided maybe we weren't on the brink of defeat, perhaps Britain wouldn't follow the rest of Europe into surrender. This was clearly a nation willing to do what was required to be on the winning side of this conflict. There's plenty of documentaries focusing on this important moment in the war and how it was deemed to have changed US perception.

I don't for a minute think the Americans would have stayed out of it, they waited well and truly for the moment which would give them (individually, **** there allies) the best outcome. But I do think churchills decision to sink the French fleet was a contributing factor in us ending up with American assistance.

 

Tell that to the RAF they wil laugh in your face. Germany came to within a **** hair of wiping out the RAF and only cos they switched to bombing London and civilians did the RAF get enough repsite to survive and get airfields repaired.

So all those ships, would have been dive bombed to the bottom of the channel had Goring not changed tactics, with no aircover no fleet can take on aircraft, ask the japs, who had the biggest battleships ever, they got slaughtered by American aircraft

Look at this bad boy, destroyed by bits of flying tinfoil with torpedos and bombs attached to the wings.

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If I remember correctly the British navy entered WWII with some wooden decked battleships ships that exploded from a direct hit

 

WTF does any of this have to do with the general election ffs!

And why do I keep reading!!

 

Not so much the father and grandfather of two future US presidents.

You wont read that in US history books. School taught history is mostly state propaganda anyway, you won't see a school book call Churchill racist or alcoholic, he was both