It is the pack mentality. Football makes people say and do things they would not dream of doing at home or at work. Once one guy starts throwing something others follow. If you read the LR stadium rules and attended a home game you would see or hear stadium offences every 10 minutes or so. When my boys were younger and I used to take them I would actually ask someone to stop swearing .. Nowadays I would be wasting my time.
They are responding to their frustration, sense of injustice, the fact that they are personally unable to influence the outcome and the fact that the 'enemy' is in front of their face. Thought process doesn't come into it, it's an unpremeditated primal instinct that some people are unable to control. Unfortunately. They aren't trying to achieve anything other than vent their anger. Self control is a mark of civilization and these blokes (I am sure they are all blokes) will be punished for their lack of it. But I can understand why they did it, without condoning it. I wouldn't do it because I don't tend to carry garbage around with me and I'm too mean with my personal possessions. The swearing thing is interesting. On Sunday there were hundreds, if not thousands, of people chanting about Terry being a **** and '****er, ****er, ****er' when Oscar was taking his corners. By the rules they should have all been thrown out. I don't have any problem with swearing, in fact I rather enjoy it especially combined with some blasphemy ('Jesus ****!'), it's part of the language. But I didn't enjoy this, I think because of the pack element that Royal Oak mentions.
I don't mind the swearing too much, but when it's accompanied by showers of spittle from behind me as it was on Sunday, I draw the line. I eventually had to turn to my fellow supporter (he's a constant nuisance, but exceptionally so on Sunday) and ask him if could "stop spitting, for ****'s sake!" "A please would be nice" was his reply. I'm moving seats next season.
That is spot on mate and exactly how I feel. One thing that did make me chuckle though was the random things thrown. Programmes and scarves. People just threw whatever they were holding once they saw others doing the same.
Sorry but dont know to rotate this image - just read this at lunchtime from the Marca and basically says that ´the assistant coach of Mourinho is a twat or sunken sink for deliberately crossing the technical areas to celebrate Fabregas´goal in the face of the QPR coach Chris Ramsey. QPR fighting relegation and are 47 points behind the leaders. It was an inappropriate action´ It may have got press over here cos he was Mourinho´s coach as Mou upset the press many a time here. Noticed that there are a lot of ´righteous´ people on here, i certainly don´t condone throwing objects on the pitch nor 90 mins of swearing but I am sure that the perpetrators were caught up in the heat of the moment just like the Chelsea players were in their celebrations. No doubt in the cold, sober light of day those involved are probably a little bit embarrassed by their behaviour both fan and professional footballer alike. Let´s stop the kangeroo court judgements and executions and move on.
Not sure about this. On the one hand I think he may have been celebrating a late winner and just happened to be near Ramsey. On the other, the guy has form for being an utter **** and essentially Mourinho's weasel.
Yes, good post Madrid. In that heated atmosphere things get to normally sane people. I felt it myself (but refrained from throwing anything before anyone asks) I do think there is a difference (and should be in punishment) between throwing things that could hurt (coins, lighters) and things borne out of frustration (programmes scarves)
Football is all about banter, big reason as to why it is so great. Throwing things goes over that line We can move on when they've been identified and rightly and proportionately punished. Celebrating a goal and throwing coins/lighters are completely different ball games I'm afraid. As for Marca, any opportunity to have a dig at Jose and anyone associated with him. That rag has as much credibility as the Daily Mail.
kinell, I had better watch what I post on my own board. Your coach is a twat though and your high-horseness is rich coming from a club like yours. You sure you´re not the assistant coach in question?
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect people to behave in a professional manner when representing an organization. The guy has form as well.
I agree he has form, but celebrating such an important winner is fine surely? I think it's clutching at straws myself and I've yet to see any footage to suggest this was in any way a dig at Ramsey or in his face; as is being made out by some.
By all mean he can celebrate, it's the manner in which it appears to have been done. We will never know if he was having a dig but as you have said yourself, the guy has form.
I will add that Jose has conducted himself with dignity, hopefully he can get his staff to do the same.
I think players and staff must act with a level of decorum, Ivanovic I thought was ok, nothing more than banter with the fans, but Fabragas and the coach should have acted in a more professional fashion. Thats not anexcuse for the actions of some fans, being wound up by people is not an excuse, but that same point should be leveled at that coach and fabragas
Fabric arse and I'm a man bitch were a disgrace. They were actually inviting fans onto the pitch to "have a go". One tried. I don't condone our fans throwing missiles, but those two idiots were asking for it!
