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Not sure that's right. As no other league has a domestic cup winner entered

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2015/accesslist/index.html

 

Only way I wouldn't have the FA Cup winners getting a CL spot is if we went down to just one CL place.

 

I could be wrong. I was basing it on UEFA telling the FA to decide whether Liverpool (CL winners) or Everton (4th in league) got the last spot. The FA have also decided to change who qualifies for the EL via the FA Cup should the winners have already qualified for the CL haven't they?

 

I think you'll find that's a UEFA rule not an FA one.

The Liverpool / Everton decision was an anomaly that they ensured couldn't happen again by changing the rules afterwards.

 

a pointless off topic observation possibly ?

 

All that effort to let you guys in and what do you do... Go and fail to qualify!

 

Can agree with this, but with the CL you now LITERALLY have rich owners wanting the CL more than the league title

 

I understand the owners point of view as it's simplt financial but I don't get the change in fans attitude.

 

I'm not sure you'll find too many wanting to win the CL rather than the PL. Qualifying for the CL vs winning the FA Cup is different for a very obvious reason; money! In the short term, winning the FA cup is great and fans should always want to see success. Long term, getting the CL see's more money for better players and regular qualification see's improved wages too. This, in turn, presents a greater chance of more success in the future.

The sad thing IMO is the pull each situation has with players. A player will want to play CL football, playing for a previous FA Cup winner (especially if records show it to be an irregularity) doesn't offer the same appeal.

 

No CL, no top tier players, no top tier football, no games against Europe's best teams, unless you are in la Liga or the Bundes

 

Again that's a players issue not a fans issue. Don't get me wrong though I'd like us to sign Messi because we're the nuts in Europe again.

I'm just arguing a daft point though I know why some think a top 4 finish is more importanat than the FA Cup, I just think they are wrong and I think there's a whole new generation of fans who are CL obssessed and that the main driver for those fans when asked is the financial implications of getting in there and the players we can bring in but as long as there's a hole in my arse I won't change, as a fan it's about the journey, the glory of the cup, **** 4th!

 

But as a fan of the club, don't you want to see the best players playing here? Improving the chances of winning more than 'just' the FA Cup?

With the way we squandered money last summer, I'd take the FA Cup now

 

I wouldn't give the FA Cup winners the 4th CL spot, personally. If a "lesser" team goes on an inspired run and wins it, it still won't give them the resources necessary to compete in the CL - and the knock-on effect to our coefficient would be detrimental, as Igor points out.

The sad thing is that the Cup has lost so much of its appeal, it should be a sought after trophy in its own right, not just a side door into the CL.

 

The coefficient wouldn't be effected that much from one season otherwise it already would have been with the likes of Wigan and Portsmouth (as mentioned about) plus Birmingham having been in the EL in recent years. The points accumulation is no different whether its CL or EL, it's purely based on game result. Only time it is increased is from the QF onwards when its doubled.

This is a good explanation despite it being the BBC; http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31846850

 

No for me CL goes to teams in prem not cups.

The europa is given to FA cup.

In ever yother league in europe third cup doesn't get europa. I think league should get europa spot. This year it will thanks to chavski.

I think yes lets get FA cup if we can and add to that stat...

I think we've seen uefa grumble at england ofr putting ****e like wigan forward but they let us on and we suffered. the english like the under dog so when the under dog claim one we end up cheering and the hurting the country's coefficient despite europe saying hey are you SURE?

 

I agree.

the cup needs:

1. more of its OWN prize money and the current bastarised deal fails to do this.. the FA should take a slice of the TV money its flooded with and tag 5 mi5/10mil onthe prize pot

2. Better TV deals that secure games when fans want them. 5:30pm FA cup final is a disgrace.

3. Fa cup draws made a big deal.

4. ****ING FANS GETTING OFF THIER HOLES AND CARING SO POINTS 1/2/3 COME ABOUT.

5. lazy arsed players who don't care about a bonus.

I hate the spoiled brat attitude these days that 4th is an achievement but a cup win is a failure. I hate it. Its stupid and not how atletico and seville have built thier success... they don't have auto big moeny from TV so they have to perform for their crust. teams get more moeny and to them europa money is a big deal. fas are not spoiled and players want the bonuses

I jus tthink the FA cup is a symptom on lack of care and too much money.

 

Points are garnered from progress in the competitions - so in theory, the better the standard of teams, the more points to go in the pot.

In practice you're probably right that it has little effect because these days it's rare for a team outside the top 4 to win the Cup anyway.
However, aside from the adventure for their players and fans, what point would there be in the likes of Wigan or Portsmouth playing the European giants? Wouldn't they just be cannon-fodder, like the weaker teams thrown into the international competitions to fatten the "product"?
I think that for teams to do well in Europe competitions they need to be playing in them regularly to get the hang of it- so, romance aside, it's best for us to have the strongest teams competing.

 

My point was, the smaller clubs that do get into Europe via the cups rarely do anything anyway so it wouldn't make that much of a difference bar stopping one of the regulars getting in. and lets be honest, we did that this season and contributed just as much as those teams would have done

I was going to point out that its very rare for a non-top four club to win it anyway. Add a CL place to the equation and I doubt we'd see it at all. that in itself would be a detriment to the competition.

 

I don't think that argument holds much water personally, given that only twice in the last 25 years has a side from outside of the elite group won the FA Cup (Wigan and Portsmouth). Even had both fallen at the qualifying stage it wouldn't have had an real tangible impact on our co-efficient across that timeframe. I'd even add that if a CL place had been up for grabs would either of those clubs have even made it there???

The Cup needs a lift and the opportunity for it to generate CL football would do that. If this was combined with ensuring that the competition had it's own defined place in the calendar and wasn't spread over numerous random days, I think the magic of the cup could well return.

 

How about a playoff between the FA CUP winners vs 4th place team?

This would apply where the winner of the FA Cup is outside the top 4. The FA wouldn't mind a money spinning tie to pay for the overpriced wembley stadium.