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  1. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    It's the classic divide and rule tactic. Divert the blame away from those who caused it ( a very small and very rich minority ) and shift the blame onto those without the wealth. Because they know that if people united against them, they would have no power.

    The 'clever' part is that they divide the poor and get them to blame those around them who have less and less for the problems, so that it's the fault of the low paid for permeating a low pay culture, it's the fault of unemployed that their low pay then has to pay for benefits for those without work and it's the fault of the immigrants that the unemployed don't have any jobs in the first place. It's then also the fault of immigrants for lack of housing, pressure on the NHS, cuts to Public services etc.

    It's such a transparent tactic, I can't understand why people allow themselves to be duped by such obvious bullshit. Even without the £85bn hole that the banks left in the economy, the latest estimates are that Tax avoidance alone from the super rich costs the UK £119bn per year and we wonder how we'll raise the £8bn extra needed each year to keep the NHS running !
     
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    Obvious to some but clearly not to your average ukip supporter. Farage Is the original one trick pony. Ukip supporters are a dangerous breed. Not because they are racist or homophobic but because thier ignorance as to why this country is in the mire it finds itself supersedes anything I have seen in recent times. One eye closed to the issue of tax avoidance by huge corps and financial corruption and one eye open to the immigration issue Which suits their views of the imaginary environment they believe we should live in. It was okay for Africans to clean toilets and eastern Europeans to build houses when things were good but not so much when Joe public was unable to find work himself. The truth is, the laziness of the brit has allowed immigrants to corner sections of working society that brits shunned due to low pay or not seen as prestigious enough. My grandparents saw this same **** during the Windrush
    (post war) with the promise of work only to be confronted by racist attitudes once they arrived. This is the modern day version except now it's the European community that are to blame. Some lazy Brits need to realise you can't have it both ways.
     
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    You realise it's UKIP policy to close the loopholes for tax avoidance for large corporations right? So you'd have to say they haven't closed there eyes to it...

    As for immigration I don't see the problem with wanting a system whereby we can control immigration. A points based system that allows us to fill skills gaps that doesn't (xenophobicaly) discriminate against non-Europeans and actually just gets the best people into the country. Immigration is a big positive for a country but should be managed correctly. Currently we have got it wrong, labour have admitted they got it wrong.

    You'll also find a lot of UKIP supporters want us to pull out of the EU rather than voting based on immigration policy.
     
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    Ukip are not the only party to want the loophole closed on big Corp tax! It's the immigration rule which lazy brits are attracted to. Yes we need control on immigration but not via Ukip who bring with them a ton of other **** like blatant discriminatory policy against non Britons. Rules put in place to embrace the fact we live in a globalised society. I'm all for Brits being employed over someone who has just arrived with less qualifications to do the same job but if the brit doesn't even want to do the job for the reasons I stated previously then what good is a tighter immigration policy in that context?
     
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    No they are not the only party to want to deal with tax avoidance from large corporations, but you did just accuse them of having there eyes closed to the issue, which is clearly not the case. I was simply pointing out that your point was incorrect.
     
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    In terms of people not wanting to do jobs, under a points based system immigration would be highered and lowered for certain industries based on need, therefor if Britons didn't want to do certain jobs and there was a shortage then immigration would be allowed to deal with these issues. What would happen first with a slight shortage in labour resources for those roles is we would see wages rise and more people interested in doing them.
     
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    There has been a change in the mindset of the British public since the crash of 2008. Desperate times call for desperate measures but you can't just erase an ethos which worked when things were going well. People are willing to work more hours for less money because they have no ****ing choice. The Bankers ****ed us up the ass and made us fight for the scraps, previously there was enough food on everyone's plate. How this obvious fact can be ignored when discussing immigration by even the most staunch Ukip supporter is beyond me.
     
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    God bless you afcw because you really think Farage is the answer but the guy and his prehistoric views will only compound the problem. With Farage you don't just get immigration and his wand waving solution
    (just pull the plug to turn off the source) you also get his nasty side. Anyone lucky enough to see the Trevor Phillips documentary will know what I mean. I can't vote Farage because his policies are a joke to me.
     
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    Put the other three up <ok>
     
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    I seem to remember Mr Farage was caught using a tax avoidance scheme
     
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    I have to say that I'm ideologically opposed to the idea of trying to control a society through race and wealth. It's an attempt at justifying social engineering due to economics, but I think it is inherently discriminative based on the circumstances that life has dealt you. It's culturally undesirable and is the opposite of what a society should strive for which is opportunity for all regardless of race and wealth

    The blame is being shifted on to immigrants for 'clogging up' our Public Services, but the classic UKIP style spin and media scare stories about hordes of immigrants putting pressure on these services is a complete and deliberate Red Herring.

    The reason for lack of housing, jobs, health and social care and public services is a direct result of the Govt slashing £ Billions because of a hole in the economy, which was caused by the banks and rich elite who deliberately still evade their massive tax bills to the Treasury.
     
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    It would be interesting if somebody was able provide some figures about just how much immigrants on benefits, using the NHS etc actually costs compared to the £119bn each year that the corporations avoid in Tax.
     
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    Speaking of voting, how about everybody votes for this guy:

     
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    Watching the debates tonight, I'd rather have a UKIP coallition with the Conservatives, rather than have Labour (and annoying **** Red Ed) couple with a Welsh or Scottish party to govern England and the UK.
     
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    Then the country would be ****ed, not sure how many more food banks andtax breaks for the rich we can take
     
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    Maybe we can shift all of these UKIP / Tories supporters off to Canvey Island where they can live with a load of other Racist little Englanders and leave mainland to the people who actually want a decent future for this Country <ok>
     
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    I heard that the bastion of fair reporting and guardian of equality - the Daily Express has given UKIP a few million quid for its election campaign...
     
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