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Yet more proof the world is run by ****s and Mick is wrong

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  1. Toby

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    Supermarket workers paid the national minimum wage are forced to claim state benefits totalling £11bn a year, according to a charity.

    Citizens UK said the employers of five million workers in the UK were being "subsidised" by the taxpayer.

    The minimum wage is £6.50 an hour for people over 21, while the living wagecalculated by the Living Wage Foundation is £7.85 (£9.15 in London).

    The British Retail Consortium said most supermarkets paid above minimum wage.

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    According to Citizens UK, which organises community campaigns, most of those earning less than the living wage are employed in the retail sector.

    The charity said this meant most supermarket staff needed in-work benefits - which it argued meant taxpayers were "subsidising private companies by almost £11bn per annum".

    The British Retail Consortium said that most supermarkets paid well above the national minimum wage.

    When all extra earnings were considered, hourly pay was around £8.40, it added.
     
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    Careful, this might be censored if some of the mods don't agree with it.

    That's Mick's totalitarian Nazi state that he's fuhrer of on here. He's got his very own Ilse Koch treating this place like her own personal Buchenwald, whilst brave posters like I are the resistance - which is ultimately futile in the face of the sickening control Mick Hitler gives his staff.

    You'd be best posting an utterly dire and boring thread about how many Sports Direct mugs you've got, Toby. That's the level this place has sunk to.
     
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  3. Toby

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    Can there be lots of puns too? They're my favourite!!

    Might be time to join ja606 to be honest...
     
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    I won't leave. I cannot give up the fight yet, even if it is in the face of such harrowing odds.
     
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  5. Toby

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    Too late, just signed up for this site.

    http://cheeseforum.org/articles/

    Ironically, they have less **** threads on cheese on it than we've had on here :frown:
     
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    <laugh>

    Like what? Tips? <rofl>
     
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  7. Toby

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    It's the change people drop at the till <ok>
     
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  8. Tina.

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    disgraceful.

    vote SNP like me
     
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    ^^^^^

    Votes SNP out of spite and anti-English sentiment
     
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  10. Tina.

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    not at all. I want another referendum.

    I'm pretty sure most who voted no the last time (the intelligent ones) will have seen through tory lies now.
     
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  11. The Raging Oxter

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    ^^^^

    Could be our very own Claus Schenk von Stauffenberg.
     
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  12. Mick

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    Told ye this anecdote before, my maw's boss brought into the conversation tax credits when she was having her annual review, indicating he didn't have to pay her more because the state would fill the gap - the state tries to help poor people, ends up subsidising rich people. Get rid of the state, it breaks things.
     
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    No, you make it illegal to not pay the minimum wage and set it at something reasonable, like £8.50 an hour.

    If businesses can't follow, their model is **** and they go bankrupt.

    That's capitalism, no?
     
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    toby spanking mick as per <applause>
     
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    Mick Probably won't answer PMs Staff Member

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    It is illegal not to pay the minimum wage - and I'm in favour of raising it and just getting rid of tax credits - I've been saying this for a while. But like anything in life there are pros and cons - for instance raising it too high will push a certain percentage of *****s out of the job market.
     
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    If government was smaller as you suggest, do you honestly think business would give loads of cash to their employees?

    Would they ****.

    We need government to protect us against the ****s, not let the ****s have even more say in how we live our lives.
     
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  18. Mick

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    Depends on the business. The companies I've worked for have been pretty fair to me. Why would they be fair to me if they didn't have to? Because it's a mutual exchange - I agree to supply labour for a price and they agree to buy at that price - no one is being coerced. There are lots of employers out there who pay more than they have to - ask Venom or ER about the oil industry and some of the contracts that were being handed out during the plush times.

    The problems happen at the unskilled end of the market, where there's 20 people waiting to take yer job because your job isn't particularly difficult. As I said we can raise minimum wage to try protect people at this end - but I'm not sure how we fix the fact that some people's skillset is not particularly desirable to other people (outside of, ye know, going to school or learning desirable skills).
     
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    Capitalism's broken and can't be fixed.
     
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    Taxes earned/money saved would allow the government to give grants or funding towards training programs or subsidised employment, society as a whole would benefit as more people would be able to afford to live. People on benefits would see that others are earning a fair bit from working so there would be more of an incentive to work.

    Also, people spending more would mean more profits for big businesses so you'd be happy too <ok>

    We will always need Aldos to clean the streets, unblock toilets and serve burgers, if there was more money flowing around more jobs would be created for them.

    <ok>
     
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