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HCST - Away Supporters’ Initiative Fund: Where’s the money gone?

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  1. Fez

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    I think a stark reality from this single statement is that it would appear, to me, that the club seems to relish taking the views and suggestions of supporters only to blank them. Again, why attend?
     
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    Fine, let's see what pans out.
     
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    Looking at the replies from Clubs on the FSF website, it looks like a few clubs have done the same as City...

    Acccording to the FSF site, Leicester and Manchester City discounted one away trip, and Burnley, Crystal Palace, Manchester United, QPR, Southampton, Spurs, Sunderland, WBA and WHU are TBC. -

    Although confusingly, some of those TBC, also appear in the list showing what's done.

    http://www.fsf.org.uk/latest-news/view/away-supporters-initiative-201415
     
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  4. Fez

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    It looks out of date.

    I just love this line.

     
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    That list is from 26th September last year, some have been updated since, others haven't.

    Spurs, for instance, have used theirs to fund discounted travel to all away games outside London, even funding free flights for fans going to Newcastle.

    Man City made all tickets half price for Fulham away and Arsenal away(the Arsenal game alone cost them almost half the money).

    QPR did discounted tickets and travel for Swansea, along with free travel to Everton.

    Sunderland discounted tickets to Southampton, Palace and Spurs.
     
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    Aye, I'd seen that. It still looks like some clubs would have done stuff anyway, and quite a few others seem unlikely to get near to spending the £200k they agreed to set aside.

    As it was seemingly an agreement from the member club s, it seems unlikely they'd vote themselves a punishment.

    Are other clubs fans up in arms?
     
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    As far as I'm aware, we're the only club to have not announced a single benefit from the ASI fund and as a consequence, we're the ones complaining most about it. QPR fans were complaining that theirs was being used predominantly for discounts on official travel and most fans don't use official travel, but at least theirs got used.

    The Premier League are trying to arrange a meeting with the club and hope to get some answers, though they're obviously running out of time.
     
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    I thought it was suggested that about £20k had been announced as spent?

    It'd be interesting to see how much the measures they've listed have cost each club.

    As someone else pointed out, if it's only for away travel, £10k a game's a significant sum. At a glance, quite a few clubs seem to come well short.
     
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    The aim of the fund is to increase away travelling support, if you don't announce that you're discounting something, then you're not encouraging anything and we announced nothing about discounted travel for Arsenal at the time. To date, we've still not announced what the offer was and how much money it used up.

    The amounts spent depend on how much you calculate each thing cost. London games on Tiger Travel are about £30, assuming that QPR charge roughly the same and took 2,000 to Everton(where they offered free travel) then that's £60k gone already.

    The £200k is also not supposed to be a limit, it's supposed to be a minimum.

    Man City took 3,000 to Arsenal and they discounted the tickets by 50%, the original ticket price was £64, so if they'd all been adults, they'd have spent £96k in one go.
     
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    There doesn't seem to be anything to suggest that initiatives have to be announced at the time, and those figures show that there's still a good number of teams that look liable to fall short of the mini um spend from their budgets.

    It doesn't give the impression of being an initiative that's well supported. It looks like the club could just look at the lower end of what others have spent and produce figures to match it.

    If they could include the stand moves, they could end up near the top of the list of spenders.

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    Ah, it didn't take long, but you brought it back to your personal gripe.
     
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    Didn't the club announce they lost a lot of money last season doing free travel to five PL away games (plus the Spurs cup game)?

    Allam's probably using this years money to make up for that loss :p

    Wouldn't surprise me.
     
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    They claimed the reason they don't want to put free transport on is that people not turning up was costing them money. Which is a daft argument Asif they hire a number of buses the cost to the club is the same whether 100%, 90% or 80% turn up. If they tied in booking a bus place with proof of having purchased a ticket then not many would fail to turn up anyway.
    Of course subsidising the ticket cost is the best way as that also helps those fans who live away and spend a lot travelling to home games and can get no benefit from free travel which starts in Hull. It also cuts down the amount of the sit down shut up brigade who spoil the atmosphere at away games and are the types who tend to take advantage of free travel on Tiger Travel, a mode of transport and an experience many equate with purgatory.
     
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    I think this is more important than it is given credit for; it certainly seems to have escaped the reasoning of the few discussing it - with the exception of OLM, as quoted here.

    Not to announce (communicate; now who manages that function?) a discount or supported service for away fans, is not meeting the aim of the initiative, to encourage away fans. It is utterly pointless doing it retrospectively.
     
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    I suspect a significant motivation be hi d the fund, wasn't that clubs would look for easy ways to show they've spent the budget, but to get clubs thinking of ways to work with fans in improving the football experience.

    If*, at some point the club can demonstrate they've done that through the season, I reckon the cost element could be a minor consideration to the Prem.

    *That's a big statement in just two letters.
     
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    maybe he's spent the money on a lawyer to look into the name chage re-application?

    as Hull Tigers we'll be able to travel cheaper and only pay £1 for tickets at the new stadium in Melton..
     
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    expensive t-shirts these image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg
     
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  18. originallambrettaman

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    We put every clubs name on except ours. <doh>

    We wanted discounted tickets, not **** tee-shirts, you utter ****s.

    You reading James?
     
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    Wow
    How "proud" everyone will be wearing them!
     
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