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Do bad decisions even themselves out?

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  1. Raphael

    Raphael Active Member

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    I think both Zola and Sannino knew their time was up - and am not sure that they both did not resign ahead of a bullet. Both understandable decisions. I think you have to say Dyche was fired as he did not choose to go - but again any new owner was likely to do the same considering the massive changes they had planned. I do think McKinlay was fired - he had a verbal contract as was evidenced by compensation paid to him - but the biggest error there was appointing him as permanent rather than temporary. Overall thePozzos have behaved entirely reasonably with people
     
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  2. J T Bodbo

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    From the interesting data supplied, a rough and ready calculation indicates that the chance of 15 (or more ) penalties in the data sampled is less than 0.1%. In fact it is 3.66 standard deviations from the 'norm' (the average - in this case 4.78 penalties). 3 Sd's is 0.025% (both sides) and 4Sd's is 0.003 %.
    Statistically, this is astonishing. Why ? I have no idea. Is Calllum wilson lightning fast, or just floppy legged ? Do they surround the ref all the time ? Does it matter ? Hell yes! But do things even out - almost certainly not. to determine that, it would be necessary to look at every refereeing mistake and relate it to the result and circumstances at the time, score etc.

    What I think is absolutely necessary however, is for the TV technology to prevent the cock-ups that ruin a game and a teams chances 2 example against us... 1) Angella's sending off at Bournemouth and 2) Motta's sending off at derby. 'Harsh' is the polite word used to cover the referees blushes. FranklyId use something much stronger, but I'd much prefer the mistakes to be overcome immediately , not days later when it is too late.
     
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  3. Bolton's Boots

    Bolton's Boots Well-Known Member

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    Such as do away with the red card system - and replace it with the Aussie Rules 'on report' system, in which transgressors are allowed to remain on the field but have to face a panel later, where all available evidence is scrutinised.
     
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  4. J T Bodbo

    J T Bodbo Well-Known Member

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    Yes - that would be good, because it doesn't hold up the game - which apparently upsets so many people.
     
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  5. canary-dave

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    The problem with the "report" system is, if it's upheld, it's of no benefit to the opponents on the day, it's just a reward for future opponents!
     
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  6. J T Bodbo

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    There nothing to stop the ref. awarding a pen/free kick. He makes those decisions - and gets a few wrong, all game. It's the sending off that's become the problem (last man rule -well intended, but with unintended consequences). For me I'd be prepared to see the game stopped for up to 1 minute or so for the 'video ref' to consider the situation. At a guess, 3 of these incidents per game, average 30 seconds consideration each, game stopped for 1.5 minutes. The time taken to line up ordinary free kicks is more than that.
    And another thing - if a player goes down holding his head, and the ref. stops he game, he should be made to leave the field for a least 5 minutes, maybe 10, whilst he is checked over. It would be sensible in the light of the concussion concerns, but more useful, it would prevent players trying to stop dangerous situations getting worse for their team.
     
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  7. Raphael

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    You could limit appeal stoppages by allowing each team to have up to three decisions "contested" in each game. Contested decisions could be restricted to red card and penalty decisions. Means max of 6 stoppages per game and could add ten minutes or so but for fairness it would be worth it surely
     
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  8. Hornet-Fez

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    I just want the officials to do their job PROPERLY! everyone makes mistakes but some of these are absolutely fundamental errors in basic application of the law and an abject failure to appreciate the play. Frankly they're not good enough.
     
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  9. Bolton's Boots

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    The idea of it, and the thrust of this argument, is stop opponents getting a benefit in the first place. After all, there are supposed to be two teams of eleven players on the field....
     
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    What I mean BB is say a defender commits a professional foul to prevent a goal scoring opportunity, the team that has been cheated will get no advantage from retrospective punishment!
     
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  11. hockdude

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    Of course once a player is 'on report' what's to stop them producing two or three more cynical fouls in the same game knowing that they are already going to be investigated. Might be worth the extended ban in an important game.
     
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  12. Bolton's Boots

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    To counter that, Aussie Rules has a Player Deregistration policy - any player who has been suspended for a cumulative total of 16 matches is automatically deregistered for life. Each instance of being reported is handled separately, with separate fines/suspensions...
     
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    After North Melbourne's performance against Adelaide last week I would have deregistered the entire flipping team <grr>
     
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  14. Bolton's Boots

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    If it happens in the penalty area, yes they will - if outside the area, there was no guarantee that a goal would be scored anyway.
     
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  15. Bolton's Boots

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    Personally, I would never have allowed Nth Melbourne to be registered in the first place... <whistle>
     
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    <laugh>
     
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  17. Bloother

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    I think this business with Bournemouth and penalties is being exaggerated. Now...in which minute of tonight's game will Bournemouth get their penalty <doh>
     
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  18. Hornette_TID

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    Ha! Last week I bet the 11th, i was a little premature! I'm going for the 43rd this week ;)
     
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  19. Hornet-Fez

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    Just the one? I'll go with the 11th AND 43rd this week:(
     
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  20. oldnickhornet

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    WOT- NO PENALTIES reported tonight yet Little Old Bournemouth won.Must mean referee was bribed and Brighton club promised a cut if Bournemouth promoted .
    Sorry if beat any obsessives to it with that theory
     
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