Off Topic Great Britain General Election May 7th 2015.

Some admirable qualities there Sisu - one of the very few posts of yours i like (and i do dislike a lot of your posts). Maybe its the cynic in me or i have been fortunate enough that the only time my family has been in dire straits i was very young (and effectively in child labour for my mum so that i didnt mind) but when i see how hard my mum worked and other families and then i see people i know on benefits taking the piss it makes my blood boil (people who genuinely need it i have no problem with, this goes for a lot of people up north who can't get jobs through no fault of their own). Then i see myself having to rent a room with my girlfriend "working" (i use this word loosely seeing i'm skiving and typing on not6060) my balls off and living in a smaller environment.

You are correct though, we should be focused on hitting the politicians, the rich, the non doms and these giant corporations.

 

People whether at the top or bottom of society or the financial ladder should have to pay there fair share, it doesn't matter if it's a poor or rich person taking the piss.

 

Lords should drink the best champagne while in Parliament because they deserve to have 'some privilege of peerage' - Jacob Rees-Mogg.


Jacob Rees-Mogg: 'I'm suspicious of politicians who try to be men of the people'

 

You have given me a perfect example. The fact you care is perfect example of the Eton boys media doing the government's job for them.
You should care about how the govenment runs the country but nope, those on benefits and in social housing is the ticket

You need to take step back, a deep breath and think. Where is all my tax going? Why is my £ worth less and less every year.
#priorities

 

Glad you see it that way because, the fraud runs into 10s of billions.

You know that you should be able to retire by 50 these days, ask why that isn't the case People need to work longer every decade that passes, something is going to break eventually

 

Nope, I do plenty of moaning about the government and how they have failed. It doesn't in the slightest change my view that everyone regardless of what level they are on, should have to pay there fair share, not more, not less.

You justify problems with the way we deal with poorer (for want of a better word) people by bringing up the problems of how we deal with rich people. I just see problems rather than distinguishing between rich and poor.

 

Cost of UK parliament catering, JUST catering for 2012\2013 £4.7 MILLION
Austerity, those poor politicians

 

Bit like a Irishman living in Finland having an opinion eh?

PS...can't be arsed to argue /debate about it any more

PPS...I wasn't the one that brought the subject up either, I just passed opinion

 

Not sure I understand that bit

My overall gist here is that we should be looking at the real issues, not what the Eton boys want us to argue over.

At least this discussion and thread has shed more light on the actual problems we face in every country not just the UK.

It is not so stark here in Finland, mainly because the taxes actually do go into the health system and education giving a decent baseline level of living to ANYONE regardless of their social standing, which means a bit of ****ing dignity for all.

Whereas in Ireland and the UK you have people killing themselves because they don't know where to turn because they live in a state that deems them worthless and "a problem to be dealth with".

I've never seen a hobo in Finalnd yet, they probably exist but I've not seen one.
People might say well it gets cold there, tell that to the hobos that freeze to death every year in the UK and Ireland, a few months ago one died form exposure right outside the oppulent buildings of the Dail in Dublin, with it's free 24hr bar where they all sit drinking before "voting" on already decided matters.

 

For the record Greez, I reckon you're a good sort and like most of us, the media does effect your opinions, it's almost impossible to resist the melt they put out daily but one has to try

 

As I've said and agreed several times in this thread already, there are much more pressing issues than bedroom tax which I agree is a minor issue, we just don't all agree on what that minor issue is. We live in a world where we will never all agree.

RE; homelessness... In the area I work in a organisation runs a food bank and soup kitchen for the families in need and homeless etc. I was speaking to the guy that runs it the other day and he told me the food they use is donated from supermarkets. It is stuff that the supermarkets are sending to landfill because it is no longer required on the shelves. You would think the best before or sell by date would be looming but no, some of the stuff they receive has six months left on it. SIX MONTHS! And it's going to landfill!!!! That is a ****ing disgrace IMO.

 

I very much doubt the media effects my opinions, I don't read any bar the occasional football article I don't watch the news, I don't read newspapers and I rarely look at the news sections on websites either. My thoughts and views are formed through life and work

 

****ing hell, what's the big deal about a £40bn set of submarines that the US own the launch codes to, and also the satellite guidance systems? They're not 'independent' in any way shape or form.

No wonder the Tories Toffs are getting personal and bitter - they don't want people to scratch the surface and see the truth. Wonder how many Tory Toffs have shares in the American companies that makes these re-badged US subs sailing under a UK convenience flag?

 

Election 2015: Tories say Labour may put Trident at risk

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The Conservatives' manifesto will have a commitment to build four new nuclear missile-armed submarines, Defence Secretary Michael Fallon has said.

He accused Labour of using the nuclear deterrent as a "bargaining chip" with the SNP, which would vote to scrap it.

Ed Miliband said Labour was committed to renewing the Trident system.

SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon said her party would not agree a formal deal with Labour - including "confidence and supply" - unless Trident was dropped.

But she left the option of a vote-by-vote arrangement open.

In other general election campaign news:

• Michael Fallon defended his claim Ed Miliband had "stabbed his brother in the back" and was willing to do the same to the UK to be PM
• Labour pledges teenagers will be guaranteed face-to-face individual careers advice if the party is in government
• SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon said her party would only press for another independence referendum if something "material changed"
• A Plaid Cymru candidate at the centre of a Nazi slur row has admitted he has had a "baptism of fire"

The Conservatives and Labour are both committed to replacing the UK's ageing fleet of Vanguard class submarines which carry Trident nuclear missiles and maintaining the continuous, at-sea deterrent - meaning there is always one nuclear-armed vessel on patrol.

Labour has suggested the possibility of reducing the number of submarines from four to three if a continuous deterrent could be maintained, although Mr Miliband said their position at the moment was to stick with four.

The Liberal Democrats favour cutting to three, saying the existing system was designed for the Cold War era.

 

If anyone is interested, this is meant ot help you decide which party you are most in allign with...

https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

"Compare policies from each party in their own words, and make an informed decision about who to vote for at the 2015 general election."

 

I must admit i haven't read everything on this thread. Just skimmed over a few pages. Not picking anything out specifically but I understand Sisus argument at what's the point in voting. I agree that nothing much will change if there was a new government but I will still be voting.
Why? Because I will be voting for a local MP, I will be voting for an MP who is aware of the local issues, An MP that understands the local area and what problems to address, An MP that will help save the local NHS, an MP that will attempt to harmonise people from different backgrounds and an MP that I can actually meet in person.

 

The problem is party politics. Your MP is answerable to the party leadership first and foremost, whatever goodwill is left for those who voted for him is neglible.

Your local rep can be as passionate about a given issue as you, but then he's ordered to vote on a matter the way the leadership wants therefor all those who voted for him got shafted by party politics. Political parties are part of why politics don't work. There is a disconnect between you and your local rep and what actually happens within the party itself. Decisions are also made for the good of the party, not those who vote them in, party politics is so self serving.

Then there is the fact that the people who run the country don't actually get the jobs based on their CVs, but on broken promises and lies, favours and corruption

It's time people allign themselves with good decisions and good results, and not political parties.

 

I've been voting the same way since I was 18 & I don't intend to change now

 

I know a few around these parts that are like that which is fair enough but the party beliefs in the 60's, 70's, 80's or 90's aren't the same as they are now

 

Conservative or Labour?....how many times have they broken their promises?. Politicians all over the world
are all the same.