Off Topic Great Britain General Election May 7th 2015.

Time for Britons to tackle the real problems.

The money being stolen by the bankers with fraud and the tax havens and nice exemptions for the wealthy would make education free, the NHS fully funded and the standard of living vastly improved, and it's true all over the world that a higher standard of living means better educated people and less crime and that can be backed up by UN statistics from all over the world.

 

By your logic, surely if people don't have a right to ask about benefits, people also don't have a right to ask about government policy or stupid HMRC rules that allow big corporations get away with Tax evasion/avoidance.

If you can have a go at one (the big corporations) we can also have a go at how our tax money gets spent on the welfare state.

Agree with AFC and Gerrez, we want all our problems fixed not just the one about tax avoidance and tax evasion.

Admittedly there are a lot of stories on benefit claimants (whether thats media spin or people buying daily mail trash, I guess theres partly a demand for it though else it wouldn't get sold) but there have been stories on big corporations not paying their taxes (although we should be thinking more) so its not totally hidden away.

 

No its not **** them heres another tax. It's now you don't need such a big house, if you want to keep it you pay a bit more towards it because another room is a luxury. Else thats fine we will provide another house for you to live in (although this is not true in some cases as there are not enough social houses to go around, poor implmentation rather than poor idea)

 

So Labour caused the global recession?

So it was Labour that almost bankrupted Spain and Greece?

Come on afc get real, if it was broken by Labour why haven't the coalition fixed it, they've had time to do it.
Unless of course you think they have fixed it.

 

There is little to no difference between labour and Tory, only for your benefit there is difference. Let me explain

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Labour cause the global recession? One of the stupidest things I have heard in years.
Banks all over the world lending money to anything with a face cased it. Fraud caused it.

 

They didn't cause it. But having a fat government spending away all the public money surely didn't help. This is partly why Greece and Spain are doing so bad, large welfare state that isn't covered by tax (and a **** load of tax evasion).

 

Where have I said Labour caused a global recession? Your talking nonsense.

And to think any government was going to have the country back to normal after five years from the position we were in is ****ing moronic...

 

Lol i loved that southpark episode

 

Funny cos it was true.

 

Yes it is! I looked into getting a council house before. Because I have three boys all under ten, I'd only be entitled to a two bed. However, once they are older than ten, I can get more bedrooms accordingly. In theory, that is telling me I can have a two bed now, a three bed in three years and a four bed in five years. Obviously, I work so the bedroom tax doesn't apply but if I lost my job I would be hit with that tax as they moved out. That is all made clear when you enquire. Of course, bedroom tax as only been in force for two or three years so obviously not everyone would have been told at the start.

And no, its not "****'em", it's "you now have more bedrooms than you need, would you like to stay there and pay the difference or move?"

If you claim benefits, they pay for your needs. If you have two kids they will pay benefits to cover a three bedroom house (assuming the kids aren't both under ten and of the same sex). If you have one kid, they will pay for a two bedroom house. What happens when a kid moves out is that benefit is cut leaving a shortfall on your rent. You are expected to pay the difference. That is in essence what bedroom tax is, the shortly in benefits to cover the rent. Of course, people get more benefits that just rent so they could just to stay and have less spending money or they could choose to move. It is their choice!

PS...its not just when the kid moves out either, the kid may well still be living there but be old enough to provide for themselves. The shortfall in rent would still be present but in most cases, the child would contribute by paying board. If they've not got a job they I believe the parent can continue to claim, maybe the child claims instead though? Not sure on that one.

 

So someone who got a house 20 years ago was told that they will have to move into something smaller when their kids left home or they'd have to pay tax on the empty rooms? Forgive me for not believing that.

 

you didn't read all my comment did you

 

Bedroom tax generates around what, £320m for the coffers. The gov said 460m but that's been shown to be complete bollocks, as usual.


meanwhile the "Lords" refused to share a canteen with the commons to save money because they were worried about the quality of the champagne.

#realworldproblems

 

I did yes but that bit was relative to what I had previously said on the subject.

 

To keep you happy..

All along I ahve ben saying the amounts collected from this is more detrimental to the recipients than it is beneficial to the collector.
The money is piffling and amounts to no increase in any benefit for you the tex payer.

My main issue is wher the money goes and also as I keep saying the other expenditures of tax payer cash.
You pay for big lavish banquets and the total cost per year for those is probably more than they collect from bedroom tax alone

 

I keep saying it Greez, the bedroom tax is pointless and irrelevant to all but those who have to pay it.

If it bothers a man who has his own home that someone might have a spare room in their social housing somewhere and if they are paying for it, that man needs to check himself.

I've paid taxes all my adult life, and most often than not I don't collect the dole between contracts because I am mostly out of work for a month or less, sometimes two months, not worth the melt going to sign on for two months dole as I do OK,

I do not and never will care about what those at the bottom rung of financial security get, imo the only time anything like that bugged me was seeing people living in social housing with two BMWs outside and the place done up like a mansion, because obviously these people are exploiting the **** out of the system and it's theft. Those are the vast minority though and who's really to blame for allowing it to happen anyway, those that dish the cash out, and when things were good they weren't arsed catching these people, only when things got tight, but when you leave it until then, everyone gets snared, even those right at the bottom who have never scammed.

 

These guys worry about champage quality so refuse ot save you the tax payer a few quid, REFUSED. But those living at the bottom of the financial snakes and ladders board, they MUST PAY!

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The ones at the bottom rung of society are the ones who can't get social housing, not the ones who have spare bedrooms in there council house

Also it's every tax payers right to care how that money is used, I don't understand why you don't get that...

 

Also if it's irrelevant to everyone but those that have to pay it do you apply the same logic to the proposed mansion tax? Do you propose the same in regards to discussing tax thresholds? So only those who earn over 150k should get a say or care how much tax they pay? I highly doubt it, so why is this topic exempt?