Off Topic Great Britain General Election May 7th 2015.

You are just not getting it are you. What you personally pay for social housing is probably a fraction of a 1p

And got forbid someone in social housing should have a spare room! What?! what?! That's only for us tax payers. Poor people should not have a spare room if someone leaves the home, we must force them to rent it out to a stranger.


I'm afraid that attitude comes off rather badly greez, granted I overdramatised the above but you get the jist.

Meanwhile your taxes pay for quangos nukes bombs nukes banker bonuses and a political class that doesn't listen to one of ye, I think you need to look at where your money is really going.

 

Mansion You obviously don't live in social housing

Mansion

Those in 10 bedroom houses, can't be many of those, less than 10 or something, should be moved to smaller accomodation should they not need it. It's not their house

What makes me laugh is they bitch about the homeless, spikes being installed all over the place n ****. Then bitch about the solution which is cheap housing for those that just ain't getting a bank loan

 

Basically what you're saying Sisu is that because more money is spent on bombs nukes bankers bonuses etc etc why don't we all take the piss.

How about we shouldn't be spending money on bombs nukes and bankers bonuses and making poor people who cannot afford to live in giant houses a right.

Just because the above things are a big waste of money doesnt mean that we should also waste money giving poor people giants houses. Just like how shoplifters should be punished even though that is probably 0.1% as bad as killing,raping someone

 

we're not saying don't house them, we're just saying that if there are 2 people, why do they need a 3 bed, 4 bed, 5 bed house. Obviously theres a lack of housing and thats the governments fault but if they sorted that out, in principle the bedroom tax is a good thing

 

I am not talking about the rare cases of 10 bedrooms who the **** has 10 bebrooms in a house? Social housing doesn't provide 10 bedroom ****ing houses. I am talking about the average joe who has a spare bedroom.

 

And you miss the point anyways, the point is when I mentioned the other costs, is that the housing cost to you is 0.000something% of the cost of all the **** you don't need, like that massive government to begin with, you even get robbed by osborne as he let Royal mail go for a song to no doubt waiting buyers ready to snap it up.

If the social housing system didn't account for that in the beginning then how can you penalise it later on, in terms of "the country is strapped" it may seem logical, until you figure out that the government is borrowing at interest and the debt on your heads rises £5,000 per second nationally. So forgive me for asking about priorities because you tip a cabbie for one journey more than you spend on social housing all year.

People should be demanding to know why their pound now buys **** all, mind you the Euro is worse.

 

Who said it was major thing? It's not, we were discussing bedroom tax and bedroom tax alone. There are many other things that are much bigger issues then bedroom tax.

It seems most people see the word tax and automatically see devil horns

 

not at all I am saying this is not even worth discussing because the cost is neglible. it reminds me of how people went insane when they heard yer wan got a boob job on the NHS

The bedroom tax collected.. wouldn't fund the politicians expenses let alone anything important It's serving a few purposes, 1 keeping daily mail readers happier, keeping the money lenders happy and gets people talking about something that is utterly irrelevant to what is happening to the country and where it's headed.

That's all I am saying.

How much is it per bedroom the tax anyway?

 

Actually what it is people see, taking away of a benefit, oh no they are picking on the poor person again. No what they are doing is trying to make it fairer. Obviously they should pick on the big wigs too but thats a different matter entirely.

 

You just don't grasp it mate. The only people who should be even bothered to discuss this subject are those paying the tax. Anyone who isn't paying it and yapping about it are busybody grannies with too much ****ing time on their hands. You ****ing auld ones

 

Agree with that tbh, it is a very minor thing but something I agree with too, hence discussing it. No idea how much it is.

It's always the poor man and it always will be!

 

Sorry, but that's a **** attitude. Each for their own interests and **** the rest.

For the record, I work and i own my own house. Therefore, I don't pay bedroom tax. I also have three kids in a two bedroom terrace, might explain why people getting hand outs pisses me off

 

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Evidently, if we expect billionaires who live here to pay taxes they'll take their ball home (wherever that is) and **** off. "All in this together" my arse, and now Newsnight is calling it the politics of envy. Right-wing Mail writer Peter Hitchens is totally correct - the Media, and the BBC especially, are 100% behind Cameron. He dodges a head-to-head debate a-la Blatter, and somehow they claim it's 'statesmanlike'?

 

Tell me this, are you surprised?

Labour have done more to swing it the Tory way than anyone else though with Blair. It's the Tories turn at the trough. The same cycle of **** back home in Ireland, same two ****ing parties that do the same **** over and over and nothing ever changes.

Irony It was the Tory cronies that wrecked the economy while Labour was in power and that gets the Tories back in.

 

This fabled 'trickle-down' nonsense about letting the rich keep all their money and pay lower percentage and actual less net tax than a cleaner at McDonald's. Btw, America taxes money made by it's citizens abroad. Look up 23 Things That They Don't Tell You About Capitalism by ha Joon Chang, and what his research has PROVEN about Non-Doms and the so-called 'trickle-down' effect. Oh, and also what the richest man in the world, Warren Buffet, also said about taxation after the worldwide crash (which was apparently caused single-handedly by Gordon Brown, if you believe The Mail and Telegraph).

Evan Davies has SERIOUSLY just asked that if a non-dom keeps their money and employs a nanny and/or a cleaner, isn't that good for the economy?

So, we should allow criminals to keep their money if they employ a gardener or, obviously, a lawyer? ****ing grotesque.

 

I was in my mam's house when Benefits Street was being shown on C4.She told me she'd been talking to my daughter about the programme earlier that day.For info my mam & daughter and her family both live on the same estate.It is a fairly modern private estate made up of different sized detached & semi detached houses and bungalows.My mam remarked about the number of supposed benefits claimants living on "Benefits Street".I told my mam that the majority of people who lived on her own road had claimed or were in receipt of some form of state benefit,obviously my mam disagreed with me as everyone around her had a full time job.I explained to her that she received the OAP,her next door neighbour was an OAP,the young family next door received child benefit,my received child benefit for my 3 grandkids.I pointed out of her front room window at all the houses where families would be receiving benefits.None of these people were receiving out of work benefits but they were still getting money off the state.I'm just making the point about people being all too quick to demonise the benefits bill in this country.

 

I think most people are understanding towards the need for a welfare system, whereby those most vulnerable in society are given benefits. But people are well within there rights to question who will receive benefits, what level of benefit is paid out, how we stop people taking advantage of the system etc...

 

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I believe all that is up to the people who manage the social payments. They are put ther by the people you elect, so if there is an issue you take it up with those you elected.

What those we elect do is get us to turn on each other instead, using the media, on trivial matters like benefits whilst the grand theft of wealth by the Eton and Cambridge boys goes on unabated.