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Wilshere, Arteta, Debuchy and.....Diaby return

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  1. Arsenal87

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  2. TheOXOCube:5pur2

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    Good to hear they are fit. Will be crucial for the run in even if some don't start.
     
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  4. Smirnoffpriest

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    I'm telling you - he's going to be our best midfielder next season .... if he's fit!
     
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  5. PeterRICK

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    Arteta and Jack both got 45 minutes, Wilshere himself getting a goal and an assist. Debuchy did 60 minutes and, yes, Diaby also played. I can't see his contract being extended at the end of the season, even on a pay as you play style deal. I feel really sorry for the guy having such a promising career f*cked by a series of talentless bellends. Hopefully another club will take a chance on him as it must take incredible mental strength to keep trying to return from injury and, if he can conquer his problems, he'll be one hell of an asset. Sadly, I think we have to cut our losses.

    As for the other three I think Debuchy will slot straight back in and, out of the other two, I think Jack will find it the most difficult to get back into the side. I can see Arteta rotating with Coquelin in place of Flamini but right now I think we'll struggle to accomodate Wilshere. I'm sure we'll stick with him though as we know he has potential and, if he believes in you, Wenger is fiercely loyal (Ramsey, Diaby and RVP to name a few).
     
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    I agree, Jack will find it difficult to get into the side - and perhaps onto the bench, considering the number of players that play in his position, and that he doesn't cover a number of positions, like Santi, Ozil, Welbeck ect do.

    But I still think he's a good player, just unlucky with injuries (as almost all the players in our squad are).

    I wonder if Wenger will look to develop him into the 'new Arteta' - a deep lying playmaker, whose good vision, passing and control means we can dictate the tempo and keep possession against teams - with the added bonus that he's more of a terrier than Arteta.

    Obviously he'd need to improve a few parts of his game, some drastically - but that's the area we are lacking in much more than anywhere else in midfield. He'd need to improve his position, his tackling, his physicality and stay fit throughout the season, though Hodgson seems to think he can play that position for England, and it maybe a successful option when we don't need a player like Coq in certain games.
     
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    Jack is about the same size as the great Didier Deschamps!!!! Oh that he becomes as good a player!!!!!!!
     
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  8. Quilllogic

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    I just worry that Wenger will display the same old blind faith in Wilshire and this could seriously upset our current form.
     
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    Agree with your logic!!
     
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    No chance. Unless anyone gets injured, Wilshere like Walcott will be on the bench for the rest of the season.
     
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    Maybe the rest of his Arsenal career!!
     
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  12. Arsenal87

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    Hopefully next season Wenger realises who our best midfielders are, and starts with them, instead of just blindly putting Wilshere in the starting 11, who knows how many more points and how better our football flow would have been in the first half of the season if Wilshere wasn't consistently being played in the side when he never deserved to be in the starting 11.

    Wilshere should have never ever been ahead of Cazorla, let alone Rosicky at the start of the season, we basically shot ourselves in the foot by playing the weakest midfielder out of the bunch, it can't get any dumber than that.
     
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    Lol, practically blaming Wilshere for our **** start to the season is nonsense. There was so many other reasons, one was the fact that we had to keep playing full backs at CB, the other was the fact that we did not have a DM until the Coq came back from Charlton, plus there was the fact that we had a lot of players return from the World Cup and it took them a while to get back to their best. Also, players like Ramsey were dog **** in the first half of the season, a lot worse than Wilshere.
     
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    Giroud also got injured early on, and we had to rely on Welbeck as our main CF. Forgot that as well.
     
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    Actually thought Wilshere was one of our better performers before he got injured. Just things weren't clicking for the team. An option off the bench until the end of the season would be good.
     
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    The only thing Wenger can be blamed for is that he had an excellent defensive midfielder all that time right under his nose and did not see it. The Coq got his chance due to injuries when there was no one else left. Otherwise he would have been gone by now and Wenger would have still be playing Arteta. I just wonder how many good young Arsenal players he "did not see".
     
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    Or the Coq after getting an unexpected second chance gave it his all and took that chance and just matured at the right time, the fact Wenger kept him and did not sell him showed that Wenger knew that there was a player there. The Coq was not pulling up trees at Charlton or Freiburg so he was hardly knocking on Wenger's door demanding a chance.
     
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    Wenger even said he needed game time at another level to develop, which he did. I think it's a bit rich to have a go at wenger for discovering/developing out best dm because he didn't do it sooner
     
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    He was definitely was a big part, he contributed to **** flowing football from midfield, someone better than him could have made things going and it would have a whole team effect. Wilshere should have never been consistently starting during first half of season.
     
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    How the **** was he a big part?

    Our entire team apart from Alexis was ****e, from the goal keeper to the striker, there was no connection. Our players could not get used to Alexis at the start because he is not easy to play with and moves all over the place and there was clearly no chemistry with any of our players and him. Wilshere should have started because he was simply playing better than all our other midfield players in terms of individual performances, though that is not saying much. Ramsey in particular was hopeless, misplacing five yard passes, and going back to his hollywood flicks and tricks bollocks. Arteta kept getting injured, Ozil had no pre season and was still trying to find fitness before he picked up that long term injury, Falmini is utter ****e, Cazorla another player who started the season poorly and was not fit enough, Ramsey as explained was poor and Rosicky has had another wierd season where he does not play for long sustained periods for whatever reason (when did he even last play?), so Wilshere had to play. Also, Wilshere never got the chance to play alongside coquelin and in front of a fully fit Mert and Kos, those three guys give a solid platform for the creative players to play their game without worrying too much about what's going on behind.

    It's not ****ing a coincidence that we picked up form when we finally got a proper DM and two proper CB's who are fully fit and understand each other's game. The start of our season was a mess, Wenger played his part by not buying a CB and sorting out the DM problem, but the World Cup also played it's part and meant that we had a lot of half-fit players who were not ready and were not used to playing with their new team mates and in particular Alexis. Wilshere did not play a big part to our **** start, that's a load of scape goating bollocks. No one player can cause an entire team to look as poor as we did at the start of the season.
     
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