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HCST - Away Supporters’ Initiative Fund: Where’s the money gone?

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  1. DMD

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    Once the childish abuse and misrepresentation is cut from that, you're confirming the summary in the previous post.

    Seems a waste of lots of posts, but you got there in the end.

    Now, let's move on.
     
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  2. Fez

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    I thought you might get to here round about now. Nite <laugh>
     
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  3. Obadiah

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    You blamed him for not doing what you think is his job, what any normal marketing and communication manager would do. But he's employed by the Allams so his job won't be that of a normal marketing and communication manager, something I thought after the past 18 months you'd understand.

    I made no comment on whether he is reluctant or not, but he is the messenger and as such doesn't warrant pages and pages about what he knows or doesn't know. Assem and Ehab Allam have been given £200,000 to spend on away support and are nowhere near spending it. For me that is the primary issue. How much James Mooney knows comes a long way down the list. But it is possible he knows sweet FA and is told what to tell the fans and no more. Not many people resign over matters of principle so I don't expect James Mooney to fight our battles for us. He'll do what he can within the limits set by the Allams as he's shown over the flags.

    As you can see I've woke up in a generous mood again.
     
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  4. Edelman

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    I don't see how anyone can defend it.
    Unless it's all gonna be ploughed into the Spurs game !!!!!!
     
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  5. Fez

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    Ah, you were not clear, but you are now.

    I have a good understanding of marketing and communications and I certainly know enough to understand that their role does not just deal with the rosy side of life. There are plenty of Allams in business, what folk find frustrating is that, until recently, no-one has come across too many in sport. Mooney has a job to do and I have recognised and accepted the following on numerous occasions over the pages and pages you so condescendingly mention:
    1. Mooney is a professional communications manager (let's stick with that side of his job). You are wrong to try and tell me he is just a messenger, he is a conduit with the title of manager, he lays his responsibilities out (in a fashion) in his LinkedIn CV. He is a paid manager and decision maker. Unlike you, I have not tried to guess to what level that is. You and others, some with personal contact, say he comes across as chummy, so he can't possibly be anything other than hog-tied by his bosses; aye, okay, if you say so. Maybe he is no more than a consummate professional protecting his company objectives by all means available to him.
    3. He knew their style when he came on-board and even more so when he stepped up in role, just last year.
    4. I have never said he has responsibility for strategy, I have said he would have some discretion in how he communicates that strategy. An ad-hoc holding statement must surely be within his gift, or I think he should think his position farcical. I seriously doubt he believes his position farcical.
    5. I have raised the possibilty that he is playing everyone, deliberately delaying decisions, not responding, in any fashion, to important questions. Are you telling me that you know that this is not correct; if you are can you offer some evidence of it?

    We know some things about the money, but not everything, although, until just a few days ago some did not even the basics. We should all await the much needed answers before any further comment is made.
    Who do you think is between Ehab and James? I don't see a long list. I have also said (I am not going to go back for you) that I do not believe he should resign. What I do believe is that he must feel he has some element of control, he must be taking some day-to-day decisions. If his role is as compromised as you would have me believe, I would have thought he would have been looking for another one - plenty of others
    do exactly that.
    One of the duties of a Communications Manager is to manage the flow of information to and from their company, the question I have asked is this: is he doing that poorly, because of the Allams, or is he doing it well, for the Allams?
    I have been generous in responding to your misinformed comments, but it has increased the page count.
     
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  6. balkan tiger

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    For a Communications Manager he doesn't say much.
     
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  7. originallambrettaman

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    He doubles up as our Lack Of Communications Manager.
     
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  8. AlRawdah

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    Am I alone in wondering what Fez's missing point 2 was in his email to Obadiah?
     
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  9. Obadiah

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    As far as I know there is nobody between Mooney and Allam Junior. I'm not really bothered how much James Mooney knows or what he says. He is an employee and the decisions about how the money is spent will be made by the Allams.

    You really think that Mooney has the discretion to issue a press statement responding to criticism about the £200,000 away supporters funds?
     
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  10. Edelman

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    Agreed Mooneys a puppet on a string!!!
    You never know !!!!!I wonder if some day that he says that he cares
     
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  11. Fez

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    Bloody hell, this is hard work; are you reading my posts?

    Agreed, there is no list between Ehab and James; I'm glad you now see that. Also agreed that it is the Allam's who will make the financial decisions, that has never been in dispute. Please accept that for once and for evermore. I do think his opinion, as Marketing Manager might be sought by his bosses; don't you. That does not translate as the final decision is his. I would point out that in certain circumstances, some, in fact many, employees can and do make such decisions - but in Allamworld it is highly improbable.

    Where have I said "that Mooney has the discretion to issue a press statement responding to criticism about the £200,000 away supporters fund?"

    I have said he could issue a holding statement - you do know what one is, don't you? All it needs to do is acknowledge any inquiries or interest, preferably offer some idea of when a more detailed response will be available, but more importantly, it can be a one-off, brief communication that gives them time to get their ducks in a row. It is non-committing, but it is polite practice.

    It does make me laugh that some on here have expected more from part-time organisations; CTWD and HCST, for instqnce. Mooney must be laughing up his sleeve at this.

    Is anyone talking to anyone else, other than Mooney, at the club? I have not seen anyone mentioned. If not then Mooney is a critical factor in the whole communication process, but he would be as the paid, full-time Communications Manager.
     
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  12. DMD

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    Do you think if he hasn't, and should have, his bosses being what they are would have told him to make one?

    Perhaps the reason he hasn't, is because he either knows nothing, or has been told to say nothing.

    In any event, it's academic to the issue of the ASI fund.
     
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  13. Fez

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    What? He doesn't have to know any detail to make one. If he has been told not to make one he really should be concerned for the integrity of his position. Perhaps he has decided himself that no response is necessary - I don't know and I don't think you do either, so why all of the guess-work supporting him.

    It would appear that anything and everything to do with James Mooney is academic to anything and everything that is happening at our club - I have started to wonder why they bother employing him. This is all beyond the joke, it would seem you can all post endlessly at me to defend him (even though I am only questioning his stance and professional handling of club communication - not attacking him, why would I?) yet he finds it impossible to issue a simple statement that would keep the wolves from the door.

    Where do you believe the eventual news, of where the ASI funding is to be allocated, will be issued from; Assem, Ehab, James or the canteen manager? Of course it is not academic, it is core to everything.

    But hey, enough, have your way, let's see what happens.
     
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  14. DMD

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    " He doesn't have to know any detail to make one." Seriously?


    It's not so much a case of people defending him, it's more a case of not firing wildly at people that are possibly as frustrated with it all as we are, especially if that's at the expense of discussions on the actual ASI issue. If I were in his shoes, I'd be wondering when I was to be presented as the sacrificial lamb.

    You've said your bit, it's just noise now.
     
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  15. DMD

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    Anyway, slightly off topic, the ASI fund.

    All speculation and questions for obvious reasons, but...

    Could the club claim the work seemingly done on the away section, with painting and structural changes, be presented as the ASI spend?

    As it is apparently scoring highly on trip advisor, could that be claimed a success?
     
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  16. Chilton's Hundreds

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    Maybe the Allam's are going to play a binder and give the £200k to Kevin Friend to guarantee our away support go home happy on Satdee...
     
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    All we'd have to do is just call out his name....cos we got a Friend...
     
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  18. Fez

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    Yes, seriously. I have worked with a number of Communications Managers/Directors, but never penned one myself; but all that needs to be said is that they acknowledge the concerns of supporters groups and comments made in social media (or whatever else there is chasing them) regarding the allocation of the ASI funds and that they will make an announcement in . . . to explain how Hull City Tigers will meet their commitment to the ASI.

    It should be concise, truthful and not open to interpretation - this maybe why they have not done it.

    I have fired wildly at no one. I have been deliberately pointed in who my questions are about and I have been careful to keep them consistent when constantly questioned about them, some posters corrupting them to be what they want them to be. Your usual pathetic argument of it being at the expense of discussion of the actual ASI issue is, as usual, just you trying to act as board moderator and editor; you overrate your importance. If you were in his shoes you would be on here moving and deleting posts and editing others to suit your argument.

    You've said your bit, it's just noise now.
     
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  19. DMD

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    Editing to suit my arguments?

    I'm simply pointing out where I think you barking...up the wrong tree at least.
     
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    He already did this over a week ago, unfortunately, it seems they haven't managed to come up with a believable excuse yet, so have made no further announcement.
     
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