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The areas Liverpool FC must fix in the transfer market this summer - and the players who could do it

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  1. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Not really.

    Moreno has been poor in the past 2 games (who hasn't) but he's young and new to the country. Not to mention the fact that's being coached by a manager who hasn't got a clue on the defensive side of the game.

    Moreno showed at Sevilla that he can defend well - played at a high level in La Liga, and in Europa League.

    Younger, more talented, more potential and more solid experience than Bertrand.
     
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  2. I think Moreno is poor. Yes, he's young so should get better but he seriously need to get better too. He looks suspect defensively, often lazy when it comes to tracking runners, he takes too long clearly his lines (see two or three conceded goals this season) and lacks the basic principal of showing the defender into less dangerous areas. People will argue he's a attacking FB or that he could just be used as a winger but he can't attack either. He's got the false reputation that Agger had, he's scored one great goal and suddenly he's the next Roberto Carlos (exaggeration before someone jumps on it)! His shooting is usually woeful and he can't cross a ball either. he only has one move when attacking; drop the should, head for the touchline and power in a low cross.

    I will add though that I feel like I am being very harsh on him here. He's probably a better player than what we've seen this season but he seriously needs some coaching. That or he just doesn't suit the PL?
     
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    BBFs Unpopular View Well-Known Member

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    Moreno has only had 1 proper season in La Liga, otherwise it's been the B team and few minutes in the proper Sevilla side.

    Lovren, one good season at Southampton.
    Lallana also one pretty good season to date before we signed him though I do have hope for the lad, he is good but needs to be better.

    Can we stop buying players that have had one good season in their careers please Brod? :mad:
     
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  4. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    I think it's fair comment tbh. I don't think he;s that good going forward other than having a burst of pace.

    Agree, he is very raw defensively but he has potential. As mentioned, Rodgers is not a good defensive coach so he's not going to learn anything.
     
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    If Moreno just showed some tactical discipline I'd have been happy enough, it's that he runs down the wing without a care about who's ****ing sneaked into his position, like Mata, TWICE in one game at Anfield, I don't really blame him for the likes of the City goal where he didn't clear it quick enough, it happens, but the Arsenal and United performances were diabolical.

    I truly hope as I type this Toure is being turned into glue.
     
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  6. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

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    More experience than Bertrand? He's played for 3 PL clubs including 30 games for Chelsea

    Moreno has proved this season that he can't defend for ****
     
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  7. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I agree moreno is a liability.

    Bertrand has hardly played in his long cheslea career and is actually quite old for a "youngster" getting his break. he didn't do well at villa but then who would... he's a decent player IMO.... but then i think clyne is only decent either..
     
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    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

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    I don't think Bertrand is a World beater, I only commented on his as jimmy has turning his nose up at him, when he's been lauding the crap Moreno since the day he signed.
     
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  9. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    suppose thats right to say then!

    Moreno might get better if he had a mourinho teaching him where to stand and sucht in reality he'd prob be dropped by a manager with an option. rdogers tried to drop the lead. he played markovic in his slot!

    We can't say muchaside form that and maybe he can improve.... as optimists
     
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    I reckon you could take any two or three games of any defender in the PL and make a case for that. We know Howard is a good keeper for example, but he's been **** this season, is that his measure.



    Moaninho would not let him go past the half way mark against good opposition tho, so yeah, he would do better at Chelsea<whistle>
     
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  11. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    Experience isn't just how many clubs you play for or how old you are.

    Despite being 3-4 years older than Moreno, Bertrand has only played for lower level clubs. Moreno has played for a very good Spanish side, featured in the Europa League, and has a few caps for the Spanish side.
     
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    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

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    Lower level clubs like Chelsea you mean?

    Clueless <laugh>
     
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    Coutinho made his break through at Inter milan whilst Rafa Benitez was manager. Coutinho played wide right in Kuyt's slot in Rafa's system and caught a lot of eyes. Coutinho was possibly the only success of Rafa's Inter career.

    After Rafa left Coutinho struggled to stay settled at Inter.
     
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  14. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    Forgot, didn't realise he was a regular. <ok>
     
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  15. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    And judging Bertrand against Moreno who is new to the league, younger, plays for a defensively inept coach, in a WING BACK role which is completely different to playing full back and much more difficult.

    So Tobes, you are the clueless one, as per usual.
     
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  16. Jeremy Hillary Boob

    Jeremy Hillary Boob GC Thread Terminator

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    Anyway, it's probably a season too late now, as we won't have CL football next season, but why did we not even attempt to replace Suarez in the summer, one half-heated rebuff from Sanchez apart? Perhaps not a fair comparison, but when we lost Keegan, we replaced him with a top player in Dalglish. We didn't go out and buy overpriced teenagers and centre-backs in the hope that they'd one day mature into better players (not that is wrong, per se). We needed at least one superstar to hit the ground running, and what did we get? Mario Balotelli.

    And even with the money we've blown, by my reckoning we still have @ £20m left of our original transfer budget plus the Suarez money, don't we? And as for this 'buy for the future' malarkey, can anyone seriously suggest Markovic is a better option than Suso - really? We could have had Berahino for £15m - the kid has rough edges, but Balotelli is a better buy/option? Seriously? I'll stick with Moreno for another season and cross my fingers, but defensively he doesn't inspire confidence.

    But if Sterling and Henderson are to go (and ffs, IF Madrid are talking £50m for Sterling, we'd be insane not to take it, likewise Hendo if anyone is talking £25m and above) one hopes research is being done on players to replace them who can go straight in and not need this ****ing 'adjustment' nonsense, and that someone will eventually be signed in the Suarez mould. And that doesn't mean Falcao on loan, or at all for that matter.

    All-in-all, this is a crucial summer for FSG and Brod. Since they did badly last summer, the next window will determine whether we challenge for top four next season, or we fall further and further back for a decade at least. I fear the latter.
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    My basic success criteria for this summer are

    1. LFC give whatever it takes to secure henderson

    2. LFC sell sterling for 65 million (sorry still think he's a bit **** really) ok I'm making numbers up but so is the kid

    3. LFC sell about 6/7 turds on like lambert balotelli, borini.

    4. LFC buy a proper striker, cm and Gk.

    5. I'd be thinking about a full back or two if we've any wonga left


    I honestly think we've enough in a few of our kids and squad to focus solely on 3 really good players to improve the team though
     
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  18. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Really not fussed about Henderson - can go if he wants.

    For £50m, we can strengthen the spine of the team with 3 players. It is essentially what we should have done with the Suarez money, but hey ho.

    If we don't sign Manquillo on a full term deal, then a full back is a must because we have no one else who can play there at a decent level.
     
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  19. luvgonzo

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    I have been banging on about him for 2 seasons and have always said we should have been in for him, he's solid defensivley and solid going forward. Sometimes solid is better than spectacular. We could have bought him for half the price of Moreno.

    Same with Ron Vlaar, we should have been in for him and I'll bet anyone he ends up at a big club soon.
     
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    You must be nuts, Hendo is still fairly young and starting to look a very good player we can't go losing players like him. Yes bring in competition for him but selling would be crazy.
     
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