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The areas Liverpool FC must fix in the transfer market this summer - and the players who could do it

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Flappy Flanagan (JK), Apr 6, 2015.

  1. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Klopp, De Boer, Conte, Emery. Simeone would be the dream.
     
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  2. You know Brod didn't write or contribute to this article right?
     
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  3. In your opinion!!!
     
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  4. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Not much difference between fact and my opinion ;-)
     
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  5. Maybe, maybe not, who cares? You keep stating it as fact when in reality, you have no idea.
     
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  6. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    I think we've established that I'm right far more often than wrong :)
     
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  7. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid
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    Yo be fair, Williams would have been better than Lovren this year and half as expensive and same goes for Bertrand and Moreno!
     
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  8. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    Both are average players. Agree on price but at the end of the day, they're still average.

    Bertrand is benefiting by playing in a sound defensive structure. Lovren enjoyed the same last season but look what happens when they're exposed - their core defensive ability is found wanting.
     
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  9. Yeah, that Mario has been a gem <whistle>
     
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  10. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Been decent when played alongside a partner ... even works harder than the Suarez-lite, Daniel Sturridge ;)
     
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  11. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Shocked and disgusted the author of this failed to target goalkeeper

    Imo we have to get our lines tighter together and more dynamic and that starts with go

    Mingolet draws our cbs at least 10/15 yards too deep cod they are so abroad of a ball over the top

    Sigh..... Mark my words we will be wondering why we are so **** til get get this right
     
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  12. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Season 1 rodgers attacking was turgid, this year he's been turgid

    Explain how benetiz who paired gerrard and Torres would be worse

    Benetiz for me rightly got the sack but he could use a coutinho.. He proved it with Garcia as coutinho is willing to work and defend once others do the same

    We will see but I doubt this will occur and I see rodgers being there stil September unless he walks himself
     
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  13. Lucaaas

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    Because I remember all 6 of Benitez's seasons at Liverpool. I remember the games against Stoke, Boro etc. where we could've played all day and still not scored. Didn't even look like we wanted to score.

    We can look at the stats and say we put 4 past Man Utd, 4 past Real Madrid, 8 past Besiktas etc. but they weren't regular occurrences.. Away from home under Rafa we had no ambition for most games and a draw was the best we could hope for in most games. The only season we did really well away from home was the one we actually challenged for the title, the rest of them we dropped loads of points due to our negative tactics. And this isn't me trying to criticise Rafa, I'm just trying to point out that it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows under him, and if you think Rodgers' first season (2nd half) was turgid then I can't imagine what you thought of Rafa's football over the 6 seasons? Because the attacking we saw after January with Sturridge, Suarez & Coutinho was probably just as good as anything we'd seen under Benitez.

    And I never said Benitez couldn't use a Coutinho? He already has and taught him a lot about the defensive side of the game at Inter Milan from what I've read. But would he be able to give him the same freedom and licence to roam as Rodgers has which has made him so lethal for Liverpool? Maybe not.

    People are really quick to say what Rodgers is doing wrong but never point out that Rodgers is the one to get the best out of the likes of Coutinho, Sturridge & Henderson. We can all say they were going to be great players anyway but why did they not perform at their previous clubs or under different managers?

    And Rodgers has been dealt a lot of ****ty hands by FSG and the committee in his time here. First season he needed a striker to back Suarez up, didn't get one until January. You could even make a case about how the reason we were appalling for the first half of this season was Sturridge was injured and the replacement "the committee" had signed in Balotelli for Suarez was not able to play upfront on his own, leading us to struggle to score any goals.

    Or how "the committee" signing Moreno has been responsible for at least 3 of the goals we've conceded in the 2 crucial games over the last 3 weeks. I mean we can all turn our noses up at Rodgers' choice Bertrand, I didn't want him either, but he's been a crucial part of the league's best defence, Moreno has been constantly found out in ours. Nothing against Moreno because he's still young and will probably develop into a fantastic player, but if we hadn't conceded those goals then we'd be a lot closer to the CL spots we were targeting at the start of the season. Maybe someone needs to tell the committee potential doesn't win games?

    Rodgers has made some poor transfers, misjudgements with players & tactics but he's done a hell of a lot more positive stuff than he gets credit for on here. He's been hampered by the owners decisions and transfer policies quite often and has just got on with it and usually found a successful solution to the problems in front of him. I just can't believe people are so negative about him when he's done so many positive things in his short spell here.
     
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  14. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I didn't like benetiz style much but we regularly beat arsenal to the top

    We had a great time last year but I distincly remember watching borini playing season one wide left and is being just really poor and frankly August to December this year lads desperately pointing to Spurs away as what we could do if only cos we could not accept what we were


    But most of all rodgers is part of the committee and part of the decisions. This x picked this guy but rodgers wanted y stuff just excuses way too much but again I've been asking since August whis head is going to roll and when and that includes this committee. When fsg announced some review I expect it to be done by now but it's now April and the same sad sacks are in charge

    In any event.... The central point is still this rodgers has to stand and fall by his work and I reckon he made big errors last 3 games but perhaps biggest of all was to admit defeat with 7 games to go. Oh the world can see its next to impossible but others kept banging on about going for 1st even now as we actually scoff but rodgers has capitulated and said fa cup is it

    Cue 7th place... I hope not but if we drop out heads now and levels of effort that'll be why and that is just a slightly higher level of giving up than West Ham have shown

    They gave up when they got to 40, we give up with a bump in the road despite playing catch up all year
     
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  15. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    I will turn up my nose to Bertrand because he is dross. He's being carried by better players in a team that is defensively sound.

    The people who rate Bertrand are also the ones who thought Lovren was good last season.

    And if Rodgers did get the best out of Sturridge, why has he regressed so much this season? We can point to injuries but fact is, Sturridge and a lot of players/manager looked far better down to one man - Luis Suarez. Rodgers talked a lot about pressing high and instilling this style yet we have shown anything but this season. If Rodgers had truly implemented this style, losing one player would not change things this much.
     
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  16. luvgonzo

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    Top player. <whistle>
     
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    Bertrand's better than that dolls head Moreno
     
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    Attracting top players by Liverpool now a problem except those nearing the end of their career.<ok>
     
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  19. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    not true.

    the issue is more that there is load and load of cash out there for any unambitious players... look at winston reid.. he is a great example fo made cash to a very average player.

    its got to the point now that one contract on a free and you are set for life totally if you've any sense at all.

    We are not competing like athletico do with a barca or real... no we are competing with 20 clubs. cos they all get shedloads of tv money. Atletico right now can spend the CL moeny and prob if wise retain CL football in spain... everyone else gets tiny money

    We have to compete with say stoke, then sunderland etc etc... FFS sunderland were trying their hardest to give us 14mil for borini... west ham were trying to give winston reid 80k per week and he was turning ti down.

    Its nuts.

    The league is littered with players on massive money so its not competing for top players if all we are willing to toss at it is 100k for a top top player cos the top clubs are giving twice that now.

    LFC have a decent young side but lack top 4 quality. to get it the starting rate is 200k. LFC need to be VERY careful and give the right player the right money.
     
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  20. You should get a conversation going with UIR, you can compare deludedness then too ;)
     
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