Off Topic Great Britain General Election May 7th 2015.

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Cameron was still an MP. It could still have been achieved, even if not in power isn't that how democracy is supposed to work?

 

Daily Mail?

Labour never promised a referendum on Lisbon, they promised a referendum on the Constitution for Europe as part of their manifesto in 2005. That treaty was sacked off after the Dutch and French rejected it.

So another fail I'm afraid

 

Give it up Tobes, c'mere give me a hug my Eurotrash brother

 

No this was 2007, that was rejected in 2005

Fail schmail, I know you were done out of a referendum of a EU treaty, I remember it being in the news,

 

He was an opposition MP in a parliament where Labour had a strong majority, he was in no position to promise anything as he couldn't deliver it.

 

I can't wait to see the new EU Tobes, cycling an old bike with a string of onions around yer neck..

 

People not even in government start campaigns and get **** done, c'mon man

 

How's yer German?


Ich bin Toben und Ich mag Skat porn

 

There was no election in 2007, the manifesto promise was in 2005 and it referred to the Constitution for Europe. We were done out of nothing.

 

But if you're not in power you can't make promises to the electorate as you're in no position to deliver on them - as Cameron found out

 

Casual racism and xenophobia central.....

 

I accept your point, Labour never offered or promised a referendum on Lisbon I confused that with th referendum they did renege on.

Do you think it is any better than they signed it without asking you or, that they asked you and then changed their minds? Ireland had been blowing no for months and I think you were never offered a vote because it would have been a no, which is essentially the same outcome I was alluding to

 

Explain how that is casual racism and xenophobia? is the EU a national identity, which is a requirement of xenophobia feelings? Did I display some predujice against strings of onions or old bikes?

Add xenophobia and racism to the list of words you need to look up the meaning of

 

They didn't renege on it, it was chucked out, so it became moot

Lisbon was much ado about nothing, it wasn't the ripping up of the original treaties and setting out of a totally new constitution

 

I suggest that you might try checking out the meaning of the words, joke and sarcasm

 

Election 2015: Parties clash on top tax rate
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Media caption David Cameron: "It's not our policy, it's not our plan"
Labour is calling on the Conservative Party to vow that it won't lower the top rate of income tax if it wins the election.
Earlier today George Osborne said he had no plans to do so - but he refused to completely rule out the move.
The coalition government reduced the highest income tax rate from 50% to 45% in 2013.
Ed Balls, Labour's shadow chancellor, criticised Mr Osborne's refusal to rule out a further cut.
Asked on Sky News's Murnaghan programme if there were plans to cut income tax by 5% for those earning over £150,000, George Osborne said "that's not our plan".
'Big commitments'
Challenged as to whether he would explicitly rule the move out, the chancellor replied: "You can judge us by what we say we want to do. And what we want to do is increase the tax-free personal allowance to £12,500 so people full-time on the minimum wage don't have to pay income tax and millions of people are better off.
"And when it comes to higher-rate tax payers, our priority is increasing the threshold at which you pay that higher rate to £50,000.
"Those are our big tax commitments for the coming Parliament."
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Media caption Shadow Chancellor Ed Balls called on the Conservatives to rule out a tax cut for high earners
When asked later if he would cut the top rate of tax, Prime Minister David Cameron said: "It's not our policy. It's not our plan.
"Our plan is to raise to £12,500 the basic rate threshold, so that we take another million people out of income tax altogether and cut tax for 30 million people. That's the plan."
But Ed Balls said: "When George Osborne cut the top rate of income tax from 50p down to 45p we know that he and David Cameron wanted to go further and actually cut it to 40p - which, if they were to do that, would mean hundreds of thousands more in tax cuts for the richest people in our society."
He added: "They need to tell us is that their plan - they won't rule it out, they should do so now."
Policy guide: Taxation
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Meanwhile, Liberal Democrat minister David Laws has accused the Conservatives of "unbelievable cheek" in taking credit for personal tax allowance rises.
'Further and faster'
Mr Laws, a former chief secretary to the Treasury, said the prime minister and chancellor had failed to push for the move in talks with Lib Dems.
His party will spell out plans to "go further and faster" in increasing the allowance in the coming days, he said.
George Osborne said raising the level was one of his "big tax commitments".
The tax-free personal allowance is to rise from £10,600 in 2015-6 to £10,800 in 2016-7 and £11,000 in 2017-8.

Media caption David Laws criticised the Conservatives "unbelievable cheek" for trying to "claim credit" for raising the personal tax allowance
Mr Laws told Pienaar's Politics on BBC Radio 5 live that was down to his party.
"What I can tell you is that there hasn't been a single Budget or Autumn Statement in this parliament where the prime minister or the chancellor have ever made this a Conservative ask," he said.
"The discussion they've had with Nick Clegg and Danny Alexander have always been on the basis that it's the Lib Dems pushing for this and it's the Conservatives pressing other policies which usually don't help those people on low and middle incomes."
The schools minister also told the programme his party would spell out further plans on the issue in the coming days.
"The Lib Dems left to our own devices, or putting our position in coalition talks, will want to go a lot further and faster than the measures set out in the Budget recently to help those people on low and middle incomes," he said.
In other election news:

• David Cameron, Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg highlighted the persecution of Christians in their Easter messages
• Leaked notes suggest Ed Miliband hoped to present himself as a "happy warrior" in the televised leaders' debate
• A Whitehall inquiry has begun into the leak of a memo suggesting SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon would prefer the Conservatives to win the election - a claim she fiercely denies

 

In New Britain, even if we did have100% control of our borders, we'd outsource the service to the lowest bidder (who also happened to give the biggest backhander to the Tory party) , then we'd get G4s staff on zero hours contracts and minimum wage to let everyone in anyway.

 

I think it's hypocritical of Labour to have a go about the higher tax rate seeing as they only raised the tax rate to 50% in anticipation of the Tories lowering it. If they were that bothered about it why didn't they raise it earlier