Off Topic Great Britain General Election May 7th 2015.

If we left the EU then our exports would be subject to export tariffs and they'd still have to meet the EU standards anyway.

The EU is our biggest trading partner and the idea that the likes of Germany and France would accept us leaving as an amicable arrangement is noddy.

We could lose millions of jobs to cheaper EU states if global manufacturers decided to keep their plants within the EU. Airbus being one.

 

I dont see UKIP discussing any of this. Instead it's all about immigrants and the strain on our country. They bring the whole thing down to the lowest form of discussion.

 

I'm not in favour of leaving the EU, but I do think that it would be in the interests of Germany and France to come to some sort of trade agreement if we did leave seeing as we are one of their biggest export markets.

That said, It definitely would create uncertainty that we could really do without given our precarious financial situation.

 

If you think countries with specific trade benefits from trading with the UK would stop if the UK left the EU, you're bonkers.
For a start London is the centre of European financial dealings. Secondly Ireland could not afford to not trade with England same for France, it would ruin both countries economies EU or no EU. They are not the only ones either.

It's all very well saying this and that, but in the end, in these times countries will not throw away billions in GDP because a nation decided to leave the EU, in fact England leaving could create a domino effect causing other Euroskeptic states to leave the EU, Ireland could certainly be one of those.

 

The EU serves the EU, the cleptocracy, the ECB. and the EU bends over for the US.

The stupid pointless sanctions on Russia has cost 10s of thousands of European jobs, all to keep ****ing Obama and the Neocons happy while the EU sends millions to Ukraine, not even a member state of the EU and the nazis are creating quangos for oligarchs with the EU cash, and also buying bullets to kill their own citizens.

#thereisnocoldwar

 

A ridiculously simplistic argument. I never said they'd stop trading with us, merely that the export levies would make it more difficult for us to compete and that global manufacturers might want to keep their facilities within the EU.

The dangers in going it alone at a time of economic uncertainty are far too great, and the only real argument I've seen for doing so has been based around protecting our borders.

 

The UK are not full in, but that is on the books, and whne the EU start calling economic shots in the UK, then people like Tobes will think differently, being ruled from Berlin is no picnic, that is what is happening in ireland Greece and other states

 

It's not simplistic, it is reality, politicians bluster..

You know what real politic is right? Well when the sanctions were brought in against Russia to keep the US happy, which is exactly why they were put in place. Each member state sent reps to Russia to calm the situation behind the scenes, and to try work around the problem

it's called realpolitik

A UK exit may well be a mortal blow for the EU

 

@Tobes

When you are full-in the EU, it's a federalised system and over time the centralised government assumed more and more power. Eventually leaving to a single entity like the US, that is the future of the EU.

You wished to be ruled from Berlin or Brussels?

 

Your hobby horse has nothing to do with the economic realities that the UK would face if it exited the EU.

 

Scaremongering bollocks

That'll never happen as we'd never sign up for it.

 

That's where you are wrong, while you casually like to what, talk about it when it pops up, we as in us Irish have gone through the EU in detail. It's make up, it's decision making and it's actions during the bailout.

There's a lot to be said about research mate compared to idle banter and swallowing the lies of the politicians

 

Reality check, who's "we"?

are you saying you'll get a referendum? like the last one you got right?

 

They'd never sign up for a federal Europe without one.

However, there'd be no political will to make it happen anyway so it'll never even make the agenda.

You live in a dream world

 

You as Irish completely ****ed up your entire economy, so pardon me if you're not the first we'd turn to for advice on the subject

 

You talk without knowing your subject.

I am speaking from experience and from research and from the research of some pretty ****ing smart people.

remember the whole "business is behind politics and has the real power"... yeah well, TTIP is part of this process.
Transnational corps and banks run the world not "polticians" and if you think that is not so you are just not awake.


Re federalisation, it doesn't happen over night and no one comes out and says come join our federation. Like the US model it's set up as a different entiry with no power over member states... a bit like the EU now yes?

You are confusing the current fed system in the US which is entirely different than the one initially founded in the US, the original one is more like what the EU is now. Historically, this is how all such unions go, "lets all come together for the common good" and once the power is centralised, you only have one seat of power you need to corrupt. It;s that ****ing simple, this is why there are no kings who rule or single seats of power and why we have parliaments and parties, so no one man can take all, we know in history how that goes, yet the EU have single seats of power

Juncker the EU big wig, only just finished turning Luxembourg into the EU tax haven for all the politicians. I know for a fact that Irish Spanish and other EU statesmen and women have been relocating their companies to Luxembourg, this is nothing but bribery and a clue to what the **** is going on.

Those who are elected to the EU by the citizens of their nations MAKE NO DECISIONS

 

http://www.dw.de/luxembourg-the-eus-top-tax-haven/a-16729339

 

Juncker, who set up Luxembourg to be a tax haven, by another name it is still that.



Jean-Claude Juncker: I will lead EU campaign against tax avoidance

http://www.theguardian.com/business...-commission-campaign-tax-avoidance-luxembourg


Right jean Claude OK

 

Luxembourg as a financial centre
http://www.economist.com/news/finan...s-repertoire-tax-breaks-administering-instead

if this was to come about, the UK would lose a hell of a lot of European clowt.

 

Firstly don't assume that I'm not clued up on the subject, as you'd be wrong, so save the patronising nonsense please.

You can't slide into a federal Europe ffs, we'd have to sign over our key economic and social decision making to Brussels and that's simply never going to happen. We don't even have the currency ffs, so there's no chance we'd somehow sleep walk into federalism, so you're talking out your hairy hoop lad

As for the rest of that post, politicians in feathering their own nest shocker. Again, none of which is anything to do with the economic pro's and cons of the UK's EU membership