Off Topic Great Britain General Election May 7th 2015.

Well Farage would be in for a surprise himself if they ever got to power, first they'll get rid of Romanians, Poles, Lithuanians etc, then the Irish, blacks, Asians, Chinese.

Then it'll be the French and he'll be forcibly kicked onto a cross channel ferry with a band playing Rule Britannia on the quayside as he sets sail.

 

I thought when the NF tried to go legit they changed to the BNP?

 

The answer to everything is reduced immigration.

The banking crisis would be over if we reduced immigration.
All NHS waiting lists will disappear if we reduced immigration.
Global warming wouldnt exist if we reduced immigration.
Jimmy Saville would have been caught much earlier if we reduced immigration.

 

I have a limited understanding on this issue so feel free to correct me.

It would be suicide financially to leave the EU and could end up with the country being even further in debt if it all goes wrong. Why are some even considering this?

 

'becoming' far right

Farage is the 'friendly faced' legitimiser of every brand of fascist, rascist, sectarian, narrow-minded absolutist out there that claims to be straight up, decent, honest and proper.

 

Farage/UKIP believe that being in the EU means we have effectively ceded control of our borders to Brussels and since being a member this has caused immigration to grow exponentially. They believe that leaving the EU can be part of a solution to redress the numbers of immigrants coming to Britain and the lack of control over our borders.

 

Worth watching again

 

It seems that most parties at least want a referendum though.

 

Great stuff the Del Boy sketch is brilliant.

 

That's why none of this lot should be anywhere near Big Ben

 

He is brilliant. Ruthless political satire and wit

But for a second I thought it was Van Gaal in that picture!

 

For literally hundreds of years we've gone through the same bollox. First it was the French...then the Jews...then the Irish....then the Blacks...then the Asians...then the Polish. It's been the same rhetoric every time from the fearmongers... they're coming to take our jobs, use our resources, take our housing, create overcrowding, destroy our culture and heritage. Despite the fact that 300+ years of history have taught us otherwise.

If Farage genuinely believes that 500 million people (or even 0.1% of that figure) are going to turn up on our shores as a result of us being in the EU he is a fcking idiot of the highest order.

 

Treble and luv you've both completely missed the point on the EU. The lack of control over our borders is one of a long list of problems with the EU.

Financially we wouldn't be ****ed if we left the EU, that's a load of bollocks. There would be a negative effect on certain highly EU influenced industries however to think the EU would all of a sudden stop trading with us, or make it difficult for us to trade is a nonsense. Norway and Switzerland are two examples of European countries who trade loads with the EU without being member states. Leaving the EU would also remove a lot of the red tape that restricts our trade with countries outside the EU. Leaving the EU would immediately see the price of food lower for example. A focus on the common wealth would see us better set for the future. Australia for example have had ministers come out and say they'd be the first country to offer us new trade deals if we pulled out of the EU.

There is also the £55m a day we spend on the EU which I'm sure we can think of plenty of better uses for!

Then we get onto the fact that it isn't democratic, we don't elect the European Commission who are the ones actually in charge of the EU. It is a farce.

The EU was a good idea in principle when it was first thought up and we first joined it, but successive treaties have turned it into a rotten, almost federal joke run by the French and Germans. I'd be up for reformation if I thought it was possible but the EU needs to be taken apart and started from scratch.

And before I get attacked and called a racist for daring to support a UKIP policy I'll make it clear I love Europe as a continent, but dislike the EU, I think immigration is a massive positive, but think it should be controlled.

There are legitimate concerns about the EU and it doesn't all boil down to hating immigrants.

 

As for all the parties wanting a referendum that's nonsense. The conservatives are the only party prior to the rise of UKIP to even suggest a referendum but have been torn on the stance and so far failed to take any action at all despite being in government.

Labour have categorically said they won't give people a referendum, they don't give a **** that there is an entire generation who have had no say on the matter and want one.

Since the rise of UKIP and the growing euro-sceptic element of the population other small parties have come out and backed a referendum.

If UKIP don't get a decent number of seats to try and effect things I don't trust a single other party to deliver a referendum.

 

With the massively over crowded country and ever growing worklessness numbers, it's hardly surprising is it? Most muppets don't realise it's near on impossible to implement what they say lol

 

The problem is though AFC that Farage never seems to want this discussion. All we hear from him is "immigrants". I dont know how much of what you've said is legit but I believe that if it was legit, you'd see a real concerted effort on the part of UKIP and Farage to discuss this. Instead he plays the xenophobia card and I think that's bcos he knows the issue plays well to the vast majority of his voters. And the above arguments you make are either a) incomprehendible to the dimwitted folk who buy his xenophobia, or b) it'll be blown out the water by most businesses and the other parties and he'll lose the argument.

 

Miliband 'confidence' over election

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  Press Association - Ed Miliband said it was a "high stakes" General Election

Ed Miliband has told party members he has a "growing sense of confidence" about a Labour victory at the General Election.
Momentum in the campaign is behind his party, the Opposition leader insisted.
Mr Miliband was joined by Justine as he visited Norton in the Doncaster North constituency he has represented to launch his local campaign and joked he wanted to thank his wife for "putting up with me".
Flanked by fellow Doncaster candidates Caroline Flint and Rosie Winterton in the garden of a local activist, he told supporters: "The Tories are going to throw all kinds of stuff at us in the next 30 days.
"This is a high stakes election, he added. "This is an election that matters.
"I feel a growing sense of confidence about the election. I feel the momentum is with us in this election.
"In 30 days time I believe we are going to elect a Labour government.
"I believe we are going to change the country."

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This and then some. The EU is noothing more than a centralising of power over Europe like the Federal government has over states in the US.

Just like the US the federal gov was meant to assist the states, as the EU was meant to assist and be beneficial for member states, then reality sinks in that the fed in the US or EU parliament actualy circumvent local leadership and law.

None of the big decisions made in the EU are made by anyone that people elected. When you peel back the EU onion you are left with the impression that it is the transnationals that run the EU, and the banks.

The EU exists to serve the EU apparatus, not the member states.

This was proven of late, with Ireland's citizens forced to pay 42% of the total Eurozone bailout, 6 million citizens.

Then Cyprus, under orders from the EU in a test case stole millions from deposits in bank accounts. If the UK ever hits such financial woes, the banks WILL take the savings. This WILL happen in any state where the banks take risks and lose.

Greece sold off large chunks of the actual country.

Under the EU yoke most member states have sold off most assets that belonged to the people, privatised, this is by design to put everything in the hands of transnational corps.

Essentially, if you want to take over Europe, you first must centralise it's power, the EU exists for this reason, to undercut local governments and all the smaller nations politicains were bought off with promises of European power, like the several good positions awarded to Irish politicians for selling out the sovereignty of the Irish people over their own nation.

If I am not mistaken, you were on here a few months ago defending the EU.. good to see you've copped on to the truth.

 

I've never defended the UKs membership of the EU, you must have me confused with someone else!