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Off Topic The QPR Not 606 Rolling Election Poll

Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by sb_73, Feb 11, 2015.

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Who will you vote for in the May 2015 UK General Election?

Poll closed May 5, 2015.
  1. Conservative

    36 vote(s)
    32.4%
  2. Green

    6 vote(s)
    5.4%
  3. Labour

    17 vote(s)
    15.3%
  4. Liberal Democrat

    4 vote(s)
    3.6%
  5. SNP

    1 vote(s)
    0.9%
  6. UKIP

    18 vote(s)
    16.2%
  7. Other

    4 vote(s)
    3.6%
  8. I will not vote

    11 vote(s)
    9.9%
  9. I cannot vote - too young/in prison/in House of Lords/mad

    1 vote(s)
    0.9%
  10. I am not a citizen of the UK

    13 vote(s)
    11.7%
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  1. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    Surely you can get dual nationality within the EU.
     
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  2. Totallyqpr

    Totallyqpr Well-Known Member

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    I always was towards the left, but with age I have drifted into more comfortable ideologies.
     
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    Totallyqpr Well-Known Member

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    Nope. You can only be a EU national based in one country. Dual nationality is only allowed with an outside country.
     
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  4. Chaz

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    SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon has denied a newspaper's claim she told a French diplomat she would prefer David Cameron in No 10 over Ed Miliband.

    The Daily Telegraph published a civil service memo claiming Scotland's first minister privately said Labour's leader was not "PM material".

    Ms Sturgeon said in a tweet the story was "categorically, 100% untrue".

    French officials said she did not express a preference for PM but Labour said the report was "damning".

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32177315

    If true, and the SNP really don't want Milliband as PM, that shoots Labour into the long grass. They will never be able to form a coalition with UKIP, The Greens, Plaid and Lib Dems won't get any where the numbers to help out, and without SNP, there's no way they can capture enough seats to gather a majority, seeing as their holding in Scotland is likely to crumble.
     
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  5. QPR Oslo

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    Always been Left. And get more so as I get older and wiser.
     
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  6. QPR Oslo

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    Think you got this twisted. Both Sturgeon and the French Ambassador or whatever he's called for Scotland, have denied this categorically 100%. But if the smart and sensible people of Scotland who have the excellent record of barely selecting even one Conservative representative to Westminister in recent years, believe it is true, it will surely improve Labour's chances of winning votes from the SNP. If people believe she said that, a vote for the SNP would also be one for the Conservatives.

    And why would Labour want a coalition with the SNP? Seems unlikely to me. Miliband says it won't happen, that they would govern with support from them on specific issues if necessary, which seems far more likely to me. Same with the Welsh nationalists.
     
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  7. Sooperhoop

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    It doesn't matter what they think or say about each other, when it comes to the crunch if the numbers add up they'll do a deal and the tail will wag the dog...
     
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  8. Uber_Hoop

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  9. Swords Hoopster.

    Swords Hoopster. Well-Known Member

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    The "likes" & posts abound. Not606QPR is turning into a mini Reichstag for Tories. Summat has to be done
     
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  10. Sooperhoop

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  11. Swords Hoopster.

    Swords Hoopster. Well-Known Member

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    Peter Hitchens and the Fail.....

    Its okay boys I've found it, there's no need to keep searching for the bottom of the barrel <doh>
     
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  13. Sooperhoop

    Sooperhoop Well-Known Member

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    It's a very small search party Swords...<laugh>
     
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  14. Uber_Hoop

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    You ain't 'alf a wally, Swords.
     
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  15. sb_73

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    As it happens I have big fears over the basic competence of Labour, made worse by the obvious gulf in thinking between Balls and Miliband, neither of whom inspire any kind of confidence. But to blame the recession on them is daft. The recession was caused by greed, speculation and the fantasy that everything has to keep growing, forever, endlessly. In other words, capitalism. Especially poorly regulated capitalism. Labour tried to mitigate the suffering for the people who had least culpability and were most vulnerable to the impact. Bizarrely this meant propping up the very people who's greed and corruption had led to the mess in the first place - the banks. The Tory obsession (actually shared by the Liberals and Labour) with the deficit is obscene, making us slaves to 'markets' 'confidence' etc which are just constructs of the collective imagination which no one has any control over. The invention of the entirely fictitious limited liability company may well be the single biggest determinant of the way we all live today.

    But capitalism has won the ideological battle, we are stuck with it for the time being. Even the anti austerity parties will cave in to the pressure of markets, as sadly the new Greek government is finding, and as happened with Labour in the sixties and seventies, before they became Tory lite in the nineties. The argument is about who can manage the margins and inhumane aspects of capitalism best.

    There is a certain irony that our most pro capitalist parties, the Tories and Kippers, are also the most anti immigration. The vast majority of immigration is economic, not asylum seekers or welfare blaggers, and the market brings them here - there is huge demand for their labour. Capitalism, not the EU or welfare state, is the cause of immigration.

    On a personal level my short term selfish interests would probably be served best by a Tory or Tory/Liberal government (but actually working for a multi national which has just about written off the UK as a place to invest and make money, international trade agreements and currency exchange rates will make a much bigger difference to me). But the result will be a society increasingly divided between haves and have nots, dominated by the type of fear and hatred shown by some of the posts on here. So my long term interest lies elsewhere, probably a Labour/SNP partnership. Though sadly I have absolutely zero confidence in them delivering anything meaningful. They have no vision, and, to paraphrase Sooper, are a bunch of ****s.
     
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  16. GoldhawkRoad

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    If it was that simple, middle eastern refugees would stay in Italy or France (both capitalist countries) rather than camping out around Calais to try to climb on the back of a UK bound lorry.

    A successful economy is an attraction, sure, and thanks to the Coalition, ours is better than virtually anywhere in Europe. But generous benefits are also a big attraction. Note how the Mayor of Calais has been blaming these on the migrant crisis and demanded they be reduced. And the EU makes it impossible for us to bring in only what we need from Europe, and thus a flood of unskilled labour plays right into the hands of money-tight employers and undercuts the market for British workers.
     
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    There's a lot in there requiring a considered response. I will try to find time for that soon.
     
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  18. Sooperhoop

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    It happens with skilled workers as well, Gary, my brother-in-law is a plasterer, 15 years ago he could earn up to £250 a day, then came all the East Europeans flooding the labour market and they'd work for peanuts, hired by 'labour-masters' and living a dozen in a three bedroom flat, many of them were second rate but the mark-up that could be made on contracts was colossal. Six years ago Gary ended up having to sell his house to cover debts and he rarely gets more than £150 a day today...
     
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  19. Swords Hoopster.

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    So in other words, Gary the Plasterer was a rip off merchant and now has to make do with a more reasonable price for services rendered?

    Soops, its no wonder you was kicked out of the Union. With you for a Rep, who'd need enemies?!!
     
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  20. Sooperhoop

    Sooperhoop Well-Known Member

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    You continue to talk out of your arse Swords, he earned the going rate for a skilled trade, UCATT, the builders trade union, warned what would happen but nothing was done about it. The contract prices stayed just as high but the workers lost money to poorer quality workers in many instances.

    And for your info, I wasn't kicked out of the union. Stick your cheap jibe up your arse...
     
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