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  1. fatletiss

    fatletiss Well-Known Member

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    I was too tired and stiff to get out of bed, but it sounded and felt like a mini tornado. Woke the wife up too, which then made me think I'd gone from one movie (Twister) to another (Godzilla) :emoticon-0138-think
     
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  2. Le Tissier's Laces

    Le Tissier's Laces Well-Known Member

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    Just read this from a Liverpool fan and nearly spat my coffee out - "One thing that's annoying me about the Raheem Sterling situation is the fact that he hasn't come out to the press and actually say he wants to stay. At least Jordan Henderson came out the other day and said he'll definitely be staying and loves the club. Not heard Sterling ever say he loves the club. If he goes I personally think he'll ruin his career."

    Hahahahahahaha, they don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot? Now imagine how he'd feel if Henderson leaves for a bigger club, saying that actually he had always wanted to play for them...
     
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  3. Onionman

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    Interesting that you say "lots..was bullshit".

    Here's an arresting fact that may kick off a debate.

    In every single large randomised peer-reviewed control study (i.e. proper) trial of vitamin supplements, they were found to increase death rates. Source: Ben Goldacre.

    Vin
     
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  4. James G

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    Well, you're omitting a little information there sir. What he went on to explain was that it wasn't necessarily the vitamins that caused anything, but more that people who took them also took greater health risks (smoking, overeating, not exercising) as they felt that this magic pill would lead to a healthier life regardless of their other actions.
    Its the same placebo/scale of intervention effect he wrote about in his book, whereby the level of intervention a placebo required to administer also had great effects on how much the patient reported its effectiveness. For example, fake pills are good, fake injections are better, fake surgery is best!
     
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  5. Schrodinger's Cat

    Schrodinger's Cat Well-Known Member

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    I really hope it's because worrying about whether you are living healthily or not contributes to stress levels and so increases likelihood of earlier death (sweet irony)
    If that is true, it totally vindicates my lifestyle and attitude and will probably mean I'll live forever.
     
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  6. Onionman

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    Not quite. You're mixing up different studies on which he's commented. In a blind control (the ones he was commenting on in my remarks earlier), people don't know whether they are on vitamin or placebo, so an equal number would change their behaviour.

    Your comment relates to a study designed to see if people changed behaviour if they thought they were on vitamins. Very different. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2011.03545.x/abstract

    The Cochrane review (probably the closest thing to a gold standard in reviews) on antioxidant vitamins concluded that they definitely do no good and probably cause harm. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD007176/abstract

    Vin
     
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  7. James G

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    So, from the updated version of that article:
    "Patients consuming the antioxidants were 1.03 times as likely to die."
    "The increased risk of mortality was associated with beta-carotene and possibly vitamin E and vitamin A, but was not associated with the use of vitamin C or selenium."

    I'm quite clearly taking my life in my hands with my daily cultured foods multi! I may as well be hanging my head out the window of a moving train! Good to know it's still perfectly safe for people to waste money on those soluble 1000% RDA vitamin C gimmicks though! :D
     
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  8. James G

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    Oh and Le Tiss is going to be on Countdown, (Le) God help us all.
     
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  9. Onionman

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    You want a 3% increase in mortality for no benefit? At least you're now doing it knowing it does nothing for you.

    Vin
     
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  10. Le Tissier's Laces

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    If anyone is sitting at work with a radio on, keep an ear out for Fable's voice (hopefully) on Lauren Laverne's show, just after 12...
     
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  11. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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  12. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    I worked in the pharmaceutical industry and was well aware that everything can have negative as well as positive effects, so you need to weigh these things up. I now have to take various pills for my health, so side effects are easily offset by their positive effect on my health. I have never believed in taking anything prophylactically (which is what people do with vitamins) as anything that is said to be good for you will turn out to cause something else. you will note this is often true for foodstuffs as well. I have always said that I accept that I will die of something out of my control, but I'll be damned if I'll die from taking something said to be good for you and ten years later is found to cause cancer. If you eat a mixed diet with fruit and different coloured veg, you have no need for vitamin supplements.
     
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  13. fatletiss

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    All well and good Vin, but what I took from those sessions was fish oil and garlic are good for you ... so I try to have them often in their natural form, not in capsule/supplement form :)

    *don't stand close when I burp*
     
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  14. Beef

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    What do you think of the big circle jerk the big artists are doing over Tidal? To me anyways I feel their campaign is kind of disgusting "we need to change the world"then changing their profiles a aqua colour. Yet all seem to have forgotten to say they are all listed as part owners and get 3% commision wit Jay Z getting the rest.
     
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  15. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace Forum Moderator

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    Heard most of it, it was a spot about Paul Hartnell (of Orbital?) and he gave Fable a namecheck. Better than nothing!
     
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  16. fran-MLs little camera

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    I suppose the club could ban her for themselves...don't need a court order. Shops issue banning orders for persistent shoplifters and aggressive customers. Can't have people doing a Clarkson, can we? Amazed how people have no shame....I would keep quiet if my boyfriend was wearing an electronic tag.
     
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  17. Le Tissier's Laces

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    Keep going, hopefully he'll play her song!

    Review just come in for her last live show, which is rather good - http://amazingradio.com/home/live-review-fable
     
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  18. Le Tissier's Laces

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    I think if they roll it downstream so lesser artists can benefit, it's a good thing. If it remains the preserve of 'superstar' artists, it's a load of tosh.
     
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  19. Beef

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    I don't think they have looking at it. The labels are also part of the owners which they forget to say. The biggest annoyance for me is how they are making it out to look like a charity event.
     
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  20. Le Tissier's Laces

    Le Tissier's Laces Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, give it time though. It's a bit like VEVO used to be only for the major label artists, now pretty much anyone can use it.
     
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