John Barnes says being black has damaged his career as a manager

I can't see how being black has stopped him getting work but that's because I just don't think that way. If Barnes is saying that every club in England is racist then I would find that hard to believe. Did he try for jobs at lower league clubs? I would have thought that he would have seeing as he has limited managerial experience.

 

He tried with the U21 girls team but it didn't last, they didn't like him showering with the players afterwards

 

Why? Were they racist?

 

Tbf Tobes he's not the first to say it, Ince and others have also, and Gordon Taylor wants the "Rooney Rule" brought in and he accused clubs of "hidden racism" and wasn't "called out" or "challenged"

If they're good enough they should have an equal chance of getting a job no matter the colour of their skin, but as there's so few black managers in the game there's no chance any will progress to the top level.

 

People see the headline and react without bothering to read what he himself said. Like you, I will watch the programme and then form my opinion. Up till now he's made a lot of sense on the subject and as I've said on here before, most of us on here are white, passing our white views on something we have no/little experience of. It's all very well saying people should get jobs based on their ability - they should indeed - but we can never be certain that factors such as race haven't been used in determining the outcome.

Poor manager or not, how many white managers went 8 years between their first and next job? And that's what I'm guessing he's talking about.

 

Alan Curbishley was once considered "the next" best English manager. Did well at Charlton but eventually got relegated. Did anyone come calling? Not really. A short stint at West Ham and he hasn't managed in 8 years. It happens. Barnes is just another of those.

 

Couldn't agree more. He's never been given to knee jerk reactions about this subject and isn't a fool so will have known exactly what kind of reaction this would spark. It will be really interesting to see how this plays out.

 

I know he isn't, and I've said no different when the likes of Taylor and Ince have chucked out the same sort of unfounded accusations.

I'd take them more seriously if before spouting off about racism, they'd bothered to put some facts and figures together in terms of how many black coaches have qualified for their Pro licence compared to the number of white coaches over say the last decade and then out of the total qualified how many from each group have found a club?

It's those kind of stats that will either provide some facts to back up their claim or completely dispell it.

EDIT: A quick search turns up that 3.4% of the total top level coaches in the game are currently taken up by Black or minority coaches and that 3.3% of the total qualified UEFA Pro licence holders are from the same group.

So the issue is surely therefore getting enough black players through the qualification route , as opposed to shouting 'racists' from the rooftops?

 

Some of the tabloids put up stats after Taylor gave his opinion, can't be arsed looking for one but you know the stats that show percentage of qualified black managers to the amount of black managers currently in employment, if(and I don't doubt it)there are racist club owners/secretaries etc they should be outed.
But you'd find yourself getting taken to court for slander/libel if you tried.

 

The amount of englishcoahces bothering their barney to get a pro license is tiny.

I think i was watching foootball focus this week and lambert was one saying he was over in dortmund getting his and how amazing the experience was... I was chuckling to think villa struggled for 3 years under him and he'd this thankless job then suddenly bang his eyes were opened... i think not.

phil nevilles puss in adoration was hilarious and all... **** sake...

I would like them to say hey there's x amount fo minorities actively coaching out there at grass roots but i nthe ro game we've only got y so why is that.

they don't.

given the jokes makay told and dave whelan's blunder i have no doubt there's some racists out there somewhere even if unconscious about their decisions... the fact is teams have had minorities playing for 30/40 years now havent they? there should be a reasonably healthy amount of coaches out there even at the unseen levels around the pro clubs.

I'd like them to be able to say hey theres **** all before this stuff... I'd like peopel to nail the issue so theres no wringgle room and force change cos really this one sounds like sour grapes and gets dismissed doesn't it.

 

Exactly, there are no statistics on how many Black people are trying to become managers and of the 2 managers who are fairly high profile (Paul Ince and John Barnes), they have both been terrible at it (Ince started off well but since then has made a turd out of any job). If you have thousands of white managers and not many black ones (Its only been the last 30 years that black people have been playing a lot more at the higher levels) then of course there's predominantly a white work force. How far down the ladder have they been applying and even then whos to say they should be guaranteed a job. I bet most Managers begin as assistant managers, coaches managing youth teams in the lower leagues. I bet these two jokers who have already made a hash of high profile jobs haven't even contemplated doing any of these.

I'm Chinese and i can appreciate Chinese football players aren't very good and we probably won't get represented at Manager level or Football level. That's just the way it is. Obviously there are certain jobs in the industry where its about networking where you could be disadvantaged, but that probably applies to not just people of different races, but class and where you're from.

 

I take your point there'll always be managers with big gaps between jobs but 8 years between first and next job - are there any?

btw Curbishley was involved in an 18 month long court case with West Ham which limited his opportunities but he was interviewed for the Wolves job [which he didn't get] not long after the case was sorted and been linked with others as well.

 

Fergie, arguably the best manager the country's ever seen, left United almost 2 yrs ago and still can't get a job. Sh1t happens

 

He's employed by utd as an ambassador and works for Uefa, plus he does university lectures.

 

He has a job being paid £110k per day

 

Yeh...but is he happy?!

 

Barnes can do that for Liverpool. Except the lectures bit, pretty sure you need to be literate for that

 

Yes there are.

At 92 professional clubs, 19 out of 552 senior coaching positions are held by coaches from
BME backgrounds. A total of 3.4% of the coaches employed. [BME - black and minority ethnics]

At the end of 2012, a total of 401 BME coaches had achieved the FA UEFA B award,
57 had achieved the FA UEFA A award, and 13 had achieved the FA UEFA Pro-license.

 

...... plus he's not the best manager the country's ever seen

 

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