Off Topic Great Britain General Election May 7th 2015.

Who does the British public owe £1.5 trillion to? There lies the answer to who really pulls the strings, those who loaned the 1.5 trillion to put you in debt.

I wonder which of these parties will tackle the tax haven issue

instead everyone blames immigrants while the havens cost the revenue billions every year

 

Gonzo isn't charging interest on it though #bonus

 

You can't have concensus rule, but you can have representation that reflects the will of the local people being represented.

What kills that is the party whip.

 

if you look up the debt of each "democracy" you will see every ****ing one fo them is buried in trillions if not billions of debt.

This debt, is mostly owed to the same banks or rather the owners of those banks. To even suggest this is not by design is People are commodities, the sweat and labour of your grandkids has already been used as collateral to borrow from these international loansharks. In many cases, like Ireland, 4 or 5 generations yet to be born have been used as collateral., and as we've seen what is done with the money, health? no, education? no? Better services and quality of life? no. It was given to the banks in 2008 and thereafter, it came from the banks and was given right back to them. Yep, banks loaned you all billions to bail out banks that caused the crash.

The bankers have received the same in bonues as the government has cut in services since 2008.

 

Yet we mere mortals get £5 behind and court threats

 

I thought that the debt was owed BY the banks? Certainly in this country anyway, from the latest recession. It's the BoE (our government and our money) which has bailed them out.

 

Ever wonder why banks (ECB & IMF)did not just lend these troubled banks money? But they will lend it to you to give to them?

I'll say no more before I start annoying people

 

To be honest mate, it's a false economy. Nobody gives a sh1t about paying it back. In 1979 it was £90bn, today it's £1.5tr. Do you know how we deal with the national debt?? Inflation....give it long enough, eventually the debt will devalue....then we borrow more

 

Same as the general populus and for exactly the same reason - spending beyond their means.

The Greeks being the worst example, nearly a quarter of them not paying any tax due to totally inefficient collections systems, retiring in their mid 40's, and yet their Govt was spending cash like a drunken sailor.

Not surprisingly there was a day of reckoning.

To say that all of the National debt has gone on bank bailouts is absolute rot.

 

Look more closely and you will see Labour's economic policy is written on the back....

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Hmm, so he doesn't make a good leader because he doesn't look good?
A bit like Sakho being a **** defender because he "looks" awkward.

In our shallow, PR driven world, the public image of a politician may be an important factor to some, but it's not relevant to how they perform as a politician and such prejudices should never be pandered to.

Blair was very media friendly to begin with- look where that got us.

 

Why? Do you honestly believe your accusation that we're all sheep and lap up everything we're told?
We all know that politicians are venal, mendacious and corrupt in as many other ways as you can list, and that the world is run by self-seeking, self -serving business interests.
Finding fault is easy, offering a solution is a bit trickier. So we all hate the status quo, but what alternative shall we go for? Anarchy? Nihilism?
UKIP?
Meet the new boss............

 

That's because you can't mortgage your kids futures, only the government can do that

Think it's bad now wait till your kids have to sign up to MickeyD's Uni after TTIP comes in. Education is moving to the for profit model

 

The sooner parents have to start PAYING for books and uniforms, the sooner they'll begin to value it. Instead of seeing it as a glorified child-minding service and having no value of the resources provided.

 

You are broaching to seperate issues mate, and I agree with your second point about parents seeing school as a child minding service.

The first one, where do you think Schools get the money to run themselves and pay teachers? and parents already pay for books don't they?

It is joe public that funds education, it is the government that syphons money from education to put into other areas, like banker bonuses. 80 billion in government cuts and 80 billion in banker bonuses in bailed out banks since 2008, approximate figues like, within a billion or two.

Education should never have a $$ requirement. It should be free because the future of any given nation depends on the education of it's citizens. Instead you have the government actively reducing opportunities for college because the jobs are not there and an unemployed well educated middle class ALWAYS leads to reform, and reform is wanted by the status quo as much as you want a second head.

Do you want it like the US? Everyone is in 60k debt coming out of college but no jobs to earn the money back?

Where I am it's entirely free, tax pays for it, like it used to in the UK before the government decided they can unringfence the money and steal it.

homelessness in London up 79% since 2010 yet billions are spent bombing Syria. Old folks get meals on wheels cut and Cameron holds gold guilded dinners at the tax payers expense.

Nothing changes.

 

Ahhhh but that's only IF they're tax-payers mate. The problem is that a huge swathe of those who need the very education you (and I) believe in, actually don't work or earn enough, or contribute enough, to truly appreciate it. I'm in no way shape or form on the right wing platform here, but I am telling you from experience that is the case.

I agree with you on how the government abuses it. The teachers' pension fund is one of the few government funds that is in profit by hundreds of millions yet the teachers are getting shafted on their pensions to bail out the economy.

 

You are getting it upside down though.

IF.. you had an economy with jobs for all then fine, you are falling for the daily mail line mate that there are hoards of spongers out there. They are the minority, the vast minority, the vast majority of young people want jobs. The people who can find ****ty jobs while they get through college are also the majority. Many more work for nothing doing internships while they are in or have just left college.

You realise that if you had a fair tax system there would be no shortages end of. The UK is home to the biggest tax haven IN THE WORLD, it's offshore assets hold more tax free money than any other nation on earth. Lost revenue has run into trillions of £. That's your national debt several times over, national debt is where all your taxes are syphoned off to, that and bailing out banks and quangos.

You think that the UK spends a significant amount on unemployment benefits?

Well I blame the media, when have you ever seena program about banking fraud on TV? yet there are many scrounger programs on TV, benefit cheats ect <

A banker a daily mail reader and a benefit recipient are sitting at a table in a cafe.
On the table is a plate with 12 biscuits.
The banker takes 11 of them and turns to the daily mail reader and says "That benefit scrounger is trying to steal your biscuit"

^Is exactly how it is.

 

Simply put treble, tax dodging amounts to 10s of times what you spend on benefits nationally every year

 

I'm with you there but you've missed my point. I'm in NO WAY saying that non tax-payers are spongers. That's not really what I'm getting at. I'm saying that unfortunately, when you perceive things as being given to you for free you don't really appreciate them. Put it another way. IF those who were on benefits were GIVEN the money and they had to physically spend it on school books and fees, they would appreciate it a lot more. But the reality is they don't see the costs, and therefore don't appreciate it because it's a freebie IN THEIR EYES (not mine).

 

OK then let me paint a picture for you, an all too frequent real life situation. Keep in mind the bankers and their criminality that went unpunished pushed thousands into this following predicament.

You have 2 3 4 kids, all in school, mortgage car payments, loans and all the usual trappings of a life where you were able to get a decent job.
You lose all that post 2008 and it really is not your fault, you worked hard and paid your bills and loan repayments but your career was ripped from under you.

You then have to hummiliate yourself by going to the dole(Cos you've worked every day of your life after college) and get a mere fraction of what you were earning but only after the bank took your home, your car repossessed and your creditors for loans all taking you to court and the schools harrassing you for money.

Do you think that shall we call him MR A, can you tell me if he takes benefits for granted ro doesn't appreciate them. Well he doesn't appreciate them, he depends on them for survival during his transition.

This ^ is the average recipient today.