Off Topic Airbus A320 Crash In French Alps

Rooney drives a HGV

 

I had one with foreign plates on mobile phone chop lanes when I was overtaking. Had to floor it cod those ****ers are blinded as well as drunk

Just this week

Sigh...

 

Cannot even drive a car without crashing it !

 

bit eary for drunken Mel Gibsonesque rants aint it?

 

The devastated girlfriend of Germanwings killer co-pilo Andreas Lubitz is pregnant with his child, it emerged today.
Secondary school teacher Kathrin Goldbach, who is in her 20s, left Germany in the aftermath of the crash which killed 150 people thinking her fiance was one of the victims.
According to the German newspaper Bild, she arrived in France to find he had been the perpetrator of mass murder.
It is believed that she told the pupils at the Gesamtschule in Krefeld, near Dusseldorf, where she works some time ago that she was 'going to be a mum'.
She was said to be happy to share the news and looking forward to her new life as a parent – and even planned to marry Lubitz.
REUTERS/Kai Pfaffenbach

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Search: German police officers have taken evidence from homes Lubitz staed at
Although planning their lives, it is thought the couple had an on/off relationship over the past seven years and that Lubitz had been seeing another woman fairly recently.
Now she has to come to terms with the enormity of what he has done – and the stigma of carrying his child.
The lovestruck pair met as teenagers before he became a pilot while working together at a Burger King in his home town of Montabaur, according to reports in Germany.
They moved together to Dusseldorf and shared a flat after he qualified as a pilot around four years ago.
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But his constant demands and desire to be 'in control' meant she was looking to move out, ending their relationship.

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It is thought that may have 'tipped him over the edge' - and led to his plan for mass murder.
In a frantic bid to keep his girlfriend, Lubitz is reported to have splashed out thousands of pounds on buying two flash Audi cars - one of whjich arrived at his home just five days before the crash.
According to Bild, Lubitz controlling behaviour even extended to fast food and demands for toppings he would have.

Habib Hassani, who runs a pizza restaurant near Lubitz’s Dusseldorf home, said: "He was extremely particular about pizza toppings.
chilling transcript of the black box recording was revealed.
In the recording, the pilot can be heard screaming at Lubitz "Open the goddam door."
Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin gave a disturbing account of the cockpit voice recordings extracted from black box, with further details of their content emerging today.
He said Lubitz locked his captain out after the senior officer left the flight deck.
He added: “The intention was to destroy the plane. Death was instant. The plane hit the mountain at 700kmh (430mph).

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“I don't think that the passengers realised what was happening until the last moments because on the recording you only hear the screams in the final seconds.”
Referring to Lubitz, Mr Robin said: “He did this for a reason which we don't know why, but we can only deduct that he destroyed this plane. We have asked for information from the German investigation on both his profession and personal background.”
Mr Robin said he had no known links with terrorism, adding: “There is no reason to suspect a terrorist attack.”
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All of this could be eliminated, if so wished, by introducing completely automated, pilotless planes. The airlines would love it tomorrow - no need for any assessments about mental health, fitness for duty, training, and most of all - wages. Would you fly on a pilotless plane? I'm sure our grandchildren will anyway, but I'm old fashioned enough to believe that computers crash more often than people (they certainly do in the ****ing office that I work).

I want a human being in that cockpit, and that goes with the comparatively miniscule risk that a deranged maniac would get at the controls.

 

Humans have far more room for error than a computer but I think it's important to have both a computer and pilot for the safest journey. It's very rare for a pilot to behave like Andreas lubitz and we shouldn't go over the top with how we deal with it. In situations where the auto pilot is getting confusing information a pilot can potentially have a different useful perception of the situation.

That said I have every confidence that the technology is good enough for planes to fly themselves and one day as you say it may be the way aviation goes.

 

In essence they already do fly themselves, the technology already to exists to be able to control them from the ground as well. You could never have a situation where there was no human overide though.

 

Particularly the airbus which does everything for the pilot, it has a very advanced autopilot. The pilots do a lot of sitting around in the flight deck on longer flights lol

But I agree human override is a necessity, having a human and computer layer provides that extra fail safe.

 

The technology for automated flights already exists. Pilots should always be present for dealing with emergencies though.

In this case the situation with the door was a bit stupid but even if you sort out the best possible door policies maybe he would have just nosedived in the last minute on approach to land, murdering the people on the plane plus some ground staff. What could be done to stop that?

 

Having worked on the A320 and A319 and having an interest in aviation I'm completely with you. The technology is there to go fully automated or ground controlled but in an emergency you want a pilot in the flight deck. I don't think most people realise just how much of the flying experience is computers these days already!

And you're right, in the case a pilot goes rogue there isn't much that can be done to stop him/her unless the other crew manage to physically restrain the pilot (which would require them to recognise a problem at the right time). If the pilot wants to take the plane down it would be very difficult to come up with rules to avoid it.

 

Spent yesterday afternoon with friends of ours. She works for Air Berlin at Düsseldorf airport in the customer service department. Either the customer service boss or the boss of the flight attendants wss married to the pilot of the plane...

Another of her colleagues went to their regular badminton session that evening. One of the regulars turned up a bit late and asked why the atmosphere wasn't so good; he hadn't heard about the crash. They explained about it, and he said he hoped that his parents weren't on it, as they were flying back from Barcelona that day. They were.

Once again, RIP to all those killed.

 

Alps crash: Lubitz 'had treatment for suicidal tendencies'
Alps crash: Lubitz 'had treatment for suicidal tendencies'
Media caption German prosecutor Christoph Kumpa said Andreas Lubitz had treatment for suicidal tendencies a number of years ago
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The co-pilot of the crashed Germanwings plane, Andreas Lubitz, had received treatment for suicidal tendencies before getting his pilot licence, investigators say, but not recently.
Lubitz, 27, is suspected of deliberately crashing the plane in the Alps, killing all 150 people on board.
Officials in Duesseldorf said the investigation to this point had revealed no clue to any motive.
So far, DNA strands of 80 of the victims have been found.
Duesseldorf public prosecutor Christoph Kumpa said that "several years" before Lubitz became a pilot he "had at that time been in treatment of a psychotherapist because of what is documented as being suicidal".
But he added: "In the following period, and until recently, further doctor's visits took place, resulting in sick notes without any suicidal tendencies or aggression against others being recorded."
No specific dates were given. Lubitz enrolled in training with Lufthansa, which owns Germanwings, in 2008 and became a pilot in 2013. He was diagnosed with a serious depressive episode in 2009 and received treatment for a year and a half, media reports say.

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Andreas Lubitz: Germanwings co-pilot

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Andreas Lubitz left no letter, investigators say

• Started training in 2008, at Bremen and Arizona. Training was interrupted for some months - but he later passed all tests and was deemed fit to fly
• Working as co-pilot, or first officer, since 2013. Appeared pleased with his job
• Lived in town of Montabaur, near Frankfurt, reportedly with his parents. Kept a flat in Duesseldorf and had many friends
• Facebook profile suggests the active lifestyle of a keen runner, with an interest in pop music

Who was Andreas Lubitz?

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Lufthansa said Lubitz's medical records were subject to doctor-patient confidentiality and it had not had any knowledge of their contents.
A spokeswoman for the German health ministry said doctors could break confidentiality if it was thought the patient represented a danger to other people.
Mr Kumpa added: "There still is no evidence that the co-pilot said beforehand that he would do what we have to assume was done and we haven't found a letter or anything like that that contains a confession."
Mr Kumpa said: "We have not found anything in his surrounding [environment] - be it personal or his family or his professional surrounding - that is giving us any hints that enable us to say anything about his motivation."

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There is still no indication of Lubitz's motive, prosecutors say
There had been some media reports that Lubitz had problems with his vision, possibly a detached retina.
But Mr Kumpa said there was no documentation on any eyesight problems that were caused by an "organic illness".
There has also been widespread speculation about Lubitz's romantic life.
One unconfirmed report has suggested his long-term girlfriend was pregnant, while an ex-girlfriend revealed that he vowed last year to do something memorable.
"One day I'm going to do something that will change the whole system, and everyone will know my name and remember," she quoted him as saying.
Memorial service
Flight 4U 9525 crashed near the French Alpine village of Le Vernet on 24 March, flying from Barcelona to Duesseldorf.
The cockpit voice recorder suggested Lubitz crashed the plane deliberately after locking pilot Patrick Sondenheimer out of the cockpit.

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A route to enable all-terrain vehicles to reach the scene is under construction
Capt Sondenheimer is heard banging on the door, screaming, "Open the damn door!"
The data recorder, which tracks the plane's altitude, speed and direction, has not yet been found.
Lufthansa board chairman Kay Kratky on Monday warned it may have been too badly damaged and may not be sending signals.
Bad weather has halted helicopter flights to the site, forcing investigators to get there on foot.
An access road to the remote site is being dug by a bulldozer to provide all-terrain vehicles with access to the area and could be completed by Monday evening.
A support centre for victims' families has been opened at a hotel in Marseille, from where Germanwings plans to provide counselling and visits to the crash site.
In Germany, a 100-strong task force is investigating the crash. While 50 police work on the murder inquiry, the others are obtaining DNA samples to help identify victims' remains.
An official memorial service for those on board flight 4U 9525 from Barcelona to Duesseldorf will be held on 17 April in Germany's most famous church - Cologne Cathedral - in the presence of President Joachim Gauck and Chancellor Angela Merkel.

 

Second black box recovered. !