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Don't believe it.

 

I know, he actually moved more than that one line. It is inaccurate

 

Sisu's right- you just can't trust science.

 

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Wait, wait, wait - are you trying to tell me something on the internet is wrong?

 

Only UIR, some shouldn't be allowed access

 

Are you genuinely ******ed and incapable of recognising the long term upwards trend regardless of short term variations?

 

Well, yes, but to know what that means, some explanation of the y axis and the legend would be helpful...

 

Proper data analysis is way above his head. He probably only needs to point to the fact that it gets colder at night to disprove global warming.

 

What? what do you know about data analysis? Furthermore you mock those that are experts in data analysis while you are not even an amateur.

The IPCC said no warming in almost 2 decades, the IPCC like.
Even NASA have it on teir climate sites that there is record ice gains in the antarctic and bigger decreases in the arctic. Global warming would mean decreases in both poles due to CO2 supposedly being directly linked to temp increases, which we know from 400,000 years of samples that CO2 follows heat not the other way around.

AStro or the IPCC don't like to talk about 2000ppm CO2 when the earth was an ice ball, where did all that CO2 come from? Must have been rafa's rant that did that

Here's another small factor you cluecless dimwit
73 UN climate models. All of them have been wrong, every single one.
Every long term forecast wrong

It's not a mistake, it is not bad science it is a fraud, all you and that other idiot do is attack me, you have not once in this wholwe discussion backed up your own views with anything Why I ask? Because the stuff I am posting, the facts that there has been no warming when all the IPCC talk about is heat, are indeed actual facts.

All astro does its attack people with paraphrased nonsense, which is fine in his v Tobes banter but on this subject it serves no purpose.
Astro does it not because of science, but because of what he believes.

Now there are two idiots arguing with me when the data or sources are not mine, I did not create them, you two do not have the will to actually get versed on the subject so you go at me personally, and that is the most pathetic thing of all tbh.


No warming in 17 years, SCIENTIFIC FACT Why can't you pair of fools just accept the planet is not warming? Catastrophic Global warming is a religion. The has been a steady warming since the 1800s with the heat spiking during el ninos ect.

Astro, you are without doubt the person least versed in global warming I ahve ever come across, you literlly know nothing about what the IPCC are claiming never mind the opposite claims. So how do you think you can even discuss this subject? All you've done since day one is go at me personally. You sadly to say to a fellow red, are a pathetic sham and the epitome of the forum warrior with no substance.


Now as for the IPCC getting everything wrong.
If I come on here and make claims and they repeatedly get debunked and disproved, I get called wrong, which would be correct and you Astro would be the first to say so.

But.. your religious beliefs in global warming, they have been wrong every single time without fail on EVERYTHING and you still refuse to say "they are wrong".

Given the last three paragraphs, it's obvious to anyone that you just come on here to have a go at me, you read Robitaille's paper, the guy is a ****ing genius and you debunk his paper in 5 minutes, with absolutely no qualifications to do so, you read a scientific argument and say meltdown as if this guy is some obscure pseudo scientist, look him up, you will find you are a million miles from the truth in that respect.

Nozzer, if you want to get into this subject then do so, or be like astro, as in clueless but self assured of your own unfounded beliefs and just go at me yeah? dumbass, no wonder humanity has barely evolved when natural selection stopped weeding out people like you pair

 

This is the type of astro paraphrasing I hate, I never said that, I am siding with scientists who say it is bollocks and using IPCC's own results and statements and admissions plus factual ice core data and data from sources like NASA the EPA, so keep your silly religiously driven paraphrased ridicule to yourself saint, you are either not equipped to discuss this subject or you just can't be arsed. Astro has wrecked this thread. He hasn't contributed anything, nothing expect his own beliefs backed up by nothing more than his own certainly of his own opinions and all his efforts are to either slate me or back his unfounded opinions\beliefs, and here you are doing same.

Now one freaking decent argument source or point as to why the stuff I am posting is wrong, just a lot of crap from you all, which is kind of frustrating as I am willing to actually discuss the ins and outs not play "lets all ridicule Sisi because he questions what we just believe without good reason to believe except the media)

 

Nrmally one would offer counter evidence, all you do is generalise and slate me, without actually offering anything, imagine this was how all maters like this was dealt with.

You know damn well that the image was posted in the context of "the earth is warming" when in fact it has not warmed for a decade and a half, that is a fact. I posted the temp chart to show that warming stopped in late 90s. A fact you all denied, so you got owned

Also, the temp rise has bee pretty steady trend over a 5 year mean since the 1800's with el nino and such events providing spikes.
Seas rising in line with historical norms, we're supposed to be inundated with water at this point.

73 UN climate models wrong, totally, every forecast wrong totally, and you are telling ME I am WRONG yet you won't question the IPCC? Are you ****ing serious ? You religious zealot

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesta...-unravels-the-ipcc-is-in-damage-control-mode/
As Its Global Warming Narrative Unravels, The IPCC Is In Damage Control Mode

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IPCC chairman Rajendra K. Pachauri is pictured next to an unidentified Arab official during a meeting of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). (Image credit: AFP/Getty Images via @daylife)

Struggling to keep a discredited global warming crisis afloat, United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) chair Raj Pachauri this week denied the well-documented plateau in temperatures during the past 15-plus years. Pachauri’s denialism contradicted his own admission earlier this year that there has been a 17-year plateau in global temperatures.

The IPCC is in full damage-control mode after it leaked advance copies of an upcoming Summary for Policymakers to what it assumed would be friendly journalists. The journalists, however, quickly realized the IPCC Summary for Policymakers contained several embarrassing walk-backs from alarmist statements in prior IPCC reports.

Two of the most embarrassing aspects of the Summary for Policymakers are (1) IPCC’s admission that global warming has occurred much slower than IPCC previously forecast and (2) IPCC is unable to explain the ongoing plateau in global temperatures. IPCC computer models have predicted twice as much warming as has occurred in the real world, and virtually none of the IPCC computer models can replicate or account for the recent lack of global warming.

Rather than acknowledge that perhaps IPCC overshot its predictions in past reports, Pachauri doubled down on denialism, claiming there has been no slowdown in the pace of global warming.

“I don’t think there is a slowdown (in the rate of temperature increase),” Pachauri told BBC News (Astro's religoius dictum) Monday

. Pachauri’s astonishing denialism not only undercuts IPCC credibility, it also contradicts his own words earlier this year in an interview with the Australian. “The UN’s climate change chief, Rajendra Pachauri, has acknowledged a 17-year pause in global temperature rises,” the Australian’s Graham Lloyd reported in February after interviewing Pachauri.

While Pachauri and the IPCC bureaucracy double down on denial, some IPCC scientists are acknowledging the scientific truth. IPCC Lead Author Hans von Storch, a climate scientist and professor at the Meteorological Institute at the University of Hamburg, acknowledged the ongoing temperature plateau in a June interview with der Spiegel. @saintanton < I don't believe in science?

“So far, no one has been able to provide a compelling answer to why climate change seems to be taking a break,” IPCC Lead Author Hans von Storch told der Spiegel in a June 2013 interview. Storch said the IPCC will have tone down its climate models unless warming quickly and rapidly accelerates ”According to most climate models, we should have seen temperatures rise by around 0.25 degrees Celsius (0.45 degrees Fahrenheit) over the past 10 years. That hasn’t happened. In fact, the increase over the last 15 years was just 0.06 degrees Celsius (0.11 degrees Fahrenheit) — a value very close to zero,” Storch told der Spiegel. “This is a serious scientific problem that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) will have to confront when it presents its next Assessment Report late next year.”

“At my institute, we analyzed how often such a 15-year stagnation in global warming occurred in the simulations. The answer was: in under 2 percent of all the times we ran the simulation. In other words, over 98 percent of forecasts show CO2 emissions as high as we have had in recent years leading to more of a temperature increase,” Storch explained. IMORTANT (Modelling not working at all)

A cynic may point out that presenting objective scientific evidence was never the goal of the IPCC and global warming alarmists. Instead, it can be correctly noted, the goal is to scare people into implementing the energy restrictions and wealth redistribution prescribed as a cure for the mythical global warming crisis. As prominent global warming scientist/activist Steven Schneider advised:

“We’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climatic change. To do that we need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This ‘double ethical bind’ we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.”

For IPCC chair Raj Pachauri, there is no balance. There is merely denialist propaganda that he hopes will blind people to the fact that global warming has, at a bare minimum, slowed down dramatically during recent years.

The problem for Pachauri and the IPCC is the IPCC’s own scientists, such as Hans von Storch, directly contradict Pachauri’s denialism. And it is not just scientists pointing out Pachaui’s denialism. Even the IPCC’s reliably sympathetic media allies are unwilling to run with Pachauri’s whopper about no recent slowdown in global warming. For example, here are a few recent headlines from some of the most alarmist-friendly media outlets in the world:

“Researching global warming’s pause,” reads a BBC News headline.

“A cooler Pacific may be behind recent pause in global warming,” reads a National Public Radio headline.

“Why has global warming paused?” asks a Christian Science Monitor headline.

“What to make of a climate-change plateau,” reads a New York Times headline.

“Global warming has ‘paused’ because of natural causes but will continue to rise, scientists claim,” reads a UK Daily Mail headline.

To be sure, these reliably activist media outlets are not abandoning their catastrophic global warming agenda, but even they are forced to acknowledge what objective scientific evidence shows and what IPCC chair Raj Pachauri denies; global temperatures have plateaued for more than a decade and there has been, at a bare minimum, a pronounced recent slowdown in global warming.

Raj Pachauri and the IPCC are falling into the same trap that discredited Al Gore. Exaggerating the pace and impacts of global warming may provide some short-term propaganda value, but these tall tales will ultimately backfire. People are not stupid. Al Gore may have brought belief in a global warming crisis to new heights following his Hollywood movie production An Inconvenient Truth, but it took an informed public mere months to discover Al Gore and his global warming whoppers were nothing more than the latest incarnation of Joe Isuzu. Raj Pachauri and the IPCC are foolishly drag racing down the same deceptive path. One cannot watch this propaganda train wreck unfold without expectations that Pachauri will soon offer a mini-pony with every copy of the IPCC’s newest report.

IPCC chair Raj Pachauri may want us to deny objective scientific facts, but the IPCC’s own scientists, the general public and even Pachauri’s reliable media allies know better.

 

Out of all this madness no one NO ONE wants to touch natural CO2. It is immesurable, just not possible, to even try claim we know how much CO2 naturally created and consumed is a joke. Plantlife creation and use, exchange with water, washout with rains and floods, absorption by soil(chalk for example).

Where do people think all the chalk came from? It would take extremely high amounts of atmospheric CO2 to create chalk deposits.. but we weren't around then to create all that CO2 with global warming so..

It still strikes me as totally stupid to think we can take a dynamically changing planet and keep it just as we like it The cycle of heat and ice has been going on since the beginning and man comes along, creates a few computer models that don't work, make forecasts that don't work, make claims that are fabrications and we all now believe that we can keep the earth from doing what it has been doing for millions of years by adjusting a CO2 knob? I give up

No one wants to touch termites and other such insects that create 10 to 20 times what we create and as the planet warms termites and th elike increase populations exponentially creating far more CO2 than us. As temp warms permafrost melts oceans warm and that means more CO2 because the warmer a water the less it can hold a gas but it is better at disolving solids.

More CO2 has come from melted permafrosts than anything we have put out there ffs, many times over. Volcanoes absoluely dwarf anything we produce and we don't actually know how much is produced by volcanoes above the water line let alone the vents on hte bottom of the ocean and underwater volcanoes!!!!!!!!!

The global warming religion won't touch these important inputs into the system.. for all the talk of data analysis by some on here, isn't that utterly ridiculous?

Glacial and inter glacial periods over half a million years, and we want to stop this cycle? **** off you idiots

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religious fever has no place in science folks\

The IPCC are not mistaken, they are a fraud, or for you astro #fraud

 

He is a known fraud. This is not his first #meltdown

I only skimmed the paper briefly but didn't see a single equation, calculation or prediction. Feel free to point them out.

The whole things is based on how things look with no actual arguments or logic. It might as well say the Sun is made of cheese because it is yellow. It is a sphere and cheese can come in balls so now I have 2 pieces of evidence. Oh look there are sunspots, well cheese can have holes so that's now 3 peiece of evidence. The sun has loops, well you can get stringy cheese so now that's 4 pieces of evidence for the Cheese Sun Model...

 

Firstly, how is he knowm as a fraud, by popular theory followers. Please add something mate, stop talking crap, I didn't come on here and say this guy is great, I posted his work which was up for debate, then you give your expert opinion he's having meltdown and he is a fraud.
I remind you, he's proven Kirchhoff's law invalid

For example, when Robitaille wanted to increase the imaging capability of MRIs using bigger magnets, the top people in the field said he would fry people's brains, this is a fact, they attacked him. Did he quit no, what did he do, he worked on the premise that Kirchoff's law is not valid, you won't get a consistent black body curve using an arbitrary cavity, the caviy does dictate what you will get in experiments, Kirchhoff had everything covered in soot which absorbed and equalised the black body curve when analysed. So the reading were always consistent. Robitaille replicated this and used silver among other materials, this proved that the cavity cannot be arbitrary when assessing results because the cavity's material make up does affect results, ergo Kirchhoff was wrong, why is this important, because this law is aprt and part of the physics of his field, he knew this law to be invalid and was able to surpass the work of every expert in his field, doubling the imaging capacity and then he went and built the high field MRIs we use today, and you call his guy a fraud, someone who proved all the experts wrong and smahed their record.?

This disproving of the law of thermal emission has profound consequences for science, when science finally accepts it is correct. Even solar formation theory relies heavily on Kirchhoff's law.. are you going to tell me this is not so or he has not proven a law of physics to be wrong, remember his working on the premise it was wrong is what allowed him to achieve what no one else could!

This lad is why you have 0 creditability.

The proof is in the puddling and he proved he was right when everyone said he was wrong. By smashing the record set by people who told him he couldn't.

Astro I am starting to pity you, the guy conceptualised and built our current day MRIs that are far more effective and have much less signal to noise ratio than previous ones, saving god knows how many lives, and you call him a fraud, you tool
Mind you, tbf, you call everyone a fraud

 

As for the warming crap, on the news a while back, the western Anarctic icesheet is melting quickly, no on mentioned the ****ing volcano underneath it?!

here's a guardian article, or global warming propaganda, it fails to mention the massive volcano system right under the sheet that is causing it to melt far faster than normal
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...-ice-melt-sooner-than-thought-scientists-warn

 

Just because someone invents something useful doesn't make them an expert in an unreated area of science

Yes he was part of a team that developed better a MRI but then his #meltdowns led him to being sacked

Did he prove Kirchoff's law "wrong" or did he just demonstrate that it doesn't apply when you change the assumptions it is based on (e.g. black -> silver walls)?

 

Are those the same volcanoes the Xenu exploded with hydrogen bombs to create thetans?

 

The volcano system was found in 2013 and was studied.

That Guardian propaganda, which is paid for by the 22bn the IPCC get in funding, is from this year, no mention of the massive volcano system discovered right smack bang under the ice sheet in 2013
http://www.livescience.com/41262-west-antarctica-new-volcano-discovered.html

The Guardian ran the same propaganda piece in 2014 too.