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Who exactly is to blame at QPR?

Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by kiwiqpr, Mar 24, 2015.

  1. Quality Passing Rules

    Quality Passing Rules Well-Known Member

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    [QUOTE="Can't quote Quality passing post coz i'm struggling on a mobile but I would say he did a good job at both Blackburn and Wales and appeared to be a forward thing manager with emphasis on sports science with people like Damian Roden. Time at Man City below par but his time at Stoke since seems that only with Rangers did he have a disaster and nowhe's a better manager for it[/QUOTE]

    Personally I disagree re. Hughes but that's opinion for you. At the clubs he's managed, as soon as he's tried to build his own teams (as apposed to inheriting teams from previous managers) he's consistently fallen well short. As for what he did as Wales manager, I wouldn't say he set the world alight but that might have something to do with the number of truly talented players he had to work with. (Or lack of.) A good manager can take average players and make them perform at a level above their talent. (That's why I have a certain amount of respect for Dyche.) Hughes has never done that anywhere he's been. All the clubs he's been in control of have either stagnated or gone backwards. Not the kind of thing that makes someone's CV worth looking at.

    On a different note Re. Tony. If you make a call and it goes bad, it might just be a one off bad call. Don't throw baby and bath water out straight away. So Tony stuck with his philosophy and tried again. Things went the same way with Harry but this time Tony did change his approach. This is born out with the way he got Les in, his approach to the Jan transfer window etc. I think Ramesy is a stop gap while he works out a new approach. (Despite what he has said in public.) Tony is on his last chance with me though and if the next appointment goes the same way again I will be joining the calls to for a change at the top.

    Enjoy your dinner.
     
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  2. Swords Hoopster.

    Swords Hoopster. Well-Known Member

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    Why is everyone wishing Kia has a nice dinner? Is he meeting Tarbs or something?
     
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  3. GoldhawkRoad

    GoldhawkRoad Well-Known Member

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    Have you not read the latest Cambridge Survey, Swords, that concludes that the Scots are the most friendly people in the UK (damn right too, considering how much they're subsidised by the rest of us), the Welsh are all nervous wrecks, and Londoners are lazy and aggressive, except for QPR fans who are all extremely polite, especially to each other?
     
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  4. TootingExcess

    TootingExcess Well-Known Member

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    Its London that subsidises the rest of the country (not just scotland) the difference is Scotland offsets that with oil, whereas Cornwall and Teeside give us Pasties and Steph McGovern.

    That's mainly because governments of all shades have invested and bailed out banks and financial instituitions, and let the steel making, shipbuilding, carmaking industries etc stand on their own.
     
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  5. RoyalOakRanger

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    Good post.

    It seems to me that certain Chairman have a knack for picking the right Manager and also knowing when to shift them. Jim Gregory was good at this - pulled in Jago when no one had heard of him, and then Sexton when Chelsea discarded him then Terry Venables. He also had an ear for the fans which is why Mullery and Frank Sibley did not last long etc.

    Al-Fayed had this knack at Fulham - pulled in Tigana, Keegan, Hodgson - just think about that two future England Managers; realised Sanchez did not fit soon enough. Mark Hughes left Fulham..think Fayed described him as a 'strange man and a flop'.

    I mention all of this because TF is the person responsible for hiring and firing Managers which is key to success on the pitch and he is either not very good at it or has been poorly advised. The bloke is genuinely likeable and he and his felow investors have thrown their money in.........but that isn't enough nowadays and we are the proof of that - the game is full of business savvy boardrooms but you also need to be football savvy.
     
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  6. GoldhawkRoad

    GoldhawkRoad Well-Known Member

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    Agree that the manufacturing industry has been neglected for many years - poor industrial relations in the 1960's and 70's took its toll - and this needs to be redressed.

    Scots receive £1200 more per head than the UK average. The rest of us are asked to buy this on the basis of national unity!
     
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    jeffranger Well-Known Member

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  8. jeffranger

    jeffranger Well-Known Member

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    It's not all about you, other people have got different views, so give it a rest.
     
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  9. kcspurs

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    look at the players you brought.
    zamora why is he still playing ahead of vargas
    every game people talk up how good bobby is at holding the ball up
    id rather have players that can run beyond the defenders.
     
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    rangercol Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely spot on.
    Ramsey is as big a dinosaur as Redknapp it would seem.
     
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  11. Jimbo ranger

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    Post title = rednapp the money grabbing twitching cu** he never gave a **** .... Never did , still dosnt .
     
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  12. Dens Hoops

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    Tim Sherwood had talks with QPR and what ever reason an agreement could not be reached between the two parties, If Sherwood keeps Villa in the Premier Legue then I think serious questions will be asked at TF.
     
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  13. Peter Damage

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    And those views should be supported. If those views are shown to have serious errors or are plain wrong, simplest eg the 12 players to Ireland myth then i'll point out where those errors are.

    It's far easier to trot out a general line like TF appointments caused it so he's at fault. But my previous posts were to show actually at the time with exception of Ramsey those appointments and decisions weren't bad and i'm yet to hear a single rational argument why they were against the specific questions and points I raised.

    Generally people like to trot out there own lines and beliefs without having to break that down and explain it rationally
     
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  14. Peter Damage

    Peter Damage Well-Known Member

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    Well it was a very nice dinner. Shame you didn't care but I ended up in Patong till very late.

    Were some women there with large hands i'm sure you would have love to meet if you haven't already
     
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    Think the big difference between Redknapp's & Hughes's signings are that at least we'll get a fee back or already have on the majority (eg. Samba, Remy, Phillips, Fer, Caulker, Mutch etc) compare that with Cisse, Mbia, Diakite, Cesar, Ji-Sung etc. So yes HR may well have spent a lot but the reason the books weren't close to being balanced was down to the poor signings & contracts dished out under Hughes so players were dumped to get them off the books.
     
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  16. Quality Passing Rules

    Quality Passing Rules Well-Known Member

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    I think when it comes to my views on Hughes, I've given quite clear reasons why I think the man is a total car crash. I don't expect everyone to agree with me but I do think they are reasonable views to have. As for my views on Tony, they don't differ to much from your own to be honest Peter. I don't want him to leave yet but he is running out of chances with me.
     
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  17. sb_73

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    Would I be right in thinking that you don't want him to leave because of the possible (financial) consequences for the club? He's a likeable bloke, and I think his intentions for the club are overall benign. But Danish is right, he is an inveterate gambler on a losing streak. His one big winning bet was setting up an airline in the wake of 9/11, when everything was cheap but undeniably risky - he was a big, big winner. Nearly everything else has failed. Looks like he has given up betting on us to stay in the Premiership, otherwise he would have thrown some cash around in the last window. The big bet now is the housing development. Who knows, it might be his second big win.

    The owners have now put £250m of their own money into the club for no discernable return, and no improvement in assets - clubs which have spent a fraction of that are doing much better than us. We are running at an operating loss of £70m a year. These figures alone should force us to think hard about decision making and competence.

    I used to be a big fan, but that has gone over the last couple of years, starting with the appointment of Redknapp, very clearly a busted flush. To not want him to leave out of fear rather than hope feels like a strange version of Stockholm Syndrome.
     
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  18. Quality Passing Rules

    Quality Passing Rules Well-Known Member

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    My reason for giving him time is I genuinly think he cares about the club. He's starting to make changes to his approch. Everyone deserves a chance to learn, but that only goes so far. No one shoud have infinite chances. That's why I said he's on his last chance with me. I fully admit I may have a view that is much different by the end of next season. If I might add that for me it's about our approach to the game and the way we play that I covert most. Far to many variables in football to form opinions on league position or trophies alone.
     
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