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Sunderland's Lee Congerton is the man under pressure now

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  1. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    Congerton needs to find a coach he can work with, simple as that.

    I think a big problem over he is that the DoF is supposed to be the managers boss. Manager's don't like that. The GM/head coach system works in America, no reason it shouldn't over here.
     
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    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    That is a very insightfull and thought prevoking point, i'll kick your face in later
     
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    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    Hahahaha! Me and the Outlaw have been discussing it a bit recently and he filled me in on it a little bit as did a little research I did into it.

    Billy Beane is a guy worth looking up, GM of the Oakland A's and Moneyball is a film well worth watching!
     
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    LAMackem Well-Known Member

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    Has there been a successful DoF in the EPL? I suppose the yardstick everyone goes by....Sir Alex Fergie....didn't have one. So is that the answer...find a good manager and back him......
     
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    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    Chelsea and City aren't doing too badly in terms of signings.
     
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    I think its going on as a working progress throughout the premier league, i also think we are ahead of the game
     
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    I just wish we were ahead of Chelsea on points.
     
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    Massive difference is where they do their shopping, Harrods vs Primarni mate.
     
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  10. Aussie blackcat85

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    This is when congerton will really earn his $ he's recommended DA and our PL survival rests on his shoulders. We were struggling under mon and pdc ensured survival, then we struggled under pdc and Gus/miracle happened.. Those decisions I believe we're made under Ellis, now we've got our DOF making big decisions so l just hope it's the right one. On a side note I'd like to hear a little more from lee over the season, if he's a quiet assassin regarding our results/ comfortable league position then no questions asked but it's a results driven business for him & if we're struggling then questions have to be asked.. All the best to lee :emoticon-0167-beer:
     
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    Replace Chelsea with any club above us!!

    Congerton had deals (apparently) in place for Toby Alderwireld (we got Buckley) and Micah Richards on loan (we got Coates) - these two deals, (I have it on good authority) were done and dusted but Poyet stopped them happening - not sure why our DoF bringing in 2 players to improve the squad would put him under pressure!
     
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    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    The problem with the 'DOF concept' is that it clearly states,
    "We want to be able to shuffle managers in & out without too much disruption."

    That immediately gives the wrong signal to certain players imo, which leads to them under performing & underachieving.
     
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    But isn't his role as DOF to have the final say on transfers? His role ATM has confused me mate.
     
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    Me too - a "head coach" as we were led to believe when Congerton was appointed, is the one who puts the deals in place and does the negotiating - Poyet said he will have the final say - he scuppered the Richards deal by telling Micah's agent that he wouldn't get many starts - that, in itself, should've got him fired! Micah Richards is a better defender than we have at the club - capable in Central or Full Back positions - and Poyet wanted Coates? Been better off signing my wheelie bin FFS!
     
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    Fair crack of the whip ey mate, thats frustrating to hear.. The best run clubs in the league know their roles, ATM it seems we're still learning the ropes..
     
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    That, I`m wondering might have been the problem. He surely can`t just bring players in without Poyets agreement first, no matter who they are. Seems to me Poyet may have been exercising his authority feeling he was being undermined.

    Surely the coach says "I want players for these 3 positions". The dof goes away and comes back with a list of say, 9. Coach says "I want him, him and him." dof goes and gets them. Is that the way it`s supposed to work rather than the dof saying to the coach "I got you these 3 players"?

    It won`t work unless they work together. Certainly doesn`t seem like that was the case.
     
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    Possibly but if I was DoF and looking at players and I gave the gaffer Micah Richards and Toby Alderwireld as options that would blatantly improve the team - not the squad but the team - and he scuppered the deal then alarm bells would be ringing - I don;t exactly know the ins and outs but I know for certain that, to use Micah Richards' bulk as the reason for not signing him saying he wouldn't be capable of playing the right type of football and bringing in Coates and having Brown and O'Shea on the books there isn;t much question to me - as a DoF I'd be thinking - "Gaffer's going to be delighted I've lined these up" but I guess Poyet thought differently! I don;t bloody know
     
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    If the DoF can get us a player like Micah Richards he shouldn't need the managers approval.

    I think this is the problem. In England we see a DoF as a bloke who goes out and does the managers bidding. In reality that isn't how it works abroad and that's not how it should work over here.

    In America and on the continent this role is higher up in the food chain than the head coach. The DoF/GM scouts the market and puts together a team he believes are capable of doing well.

    The coach then comes in and does just that, coaches.
     
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    It`s a strange one mate. You`d have thought Poyet would have been well chuffed with them. Perhaps it is simply pig headedness after all.
     
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    That throws a different slant on it altogether. It`s a set up I`m not familiar with at all. <ok>

    Would that suggest to you a foreign coach next season would be a better fit?
     
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