I just read a story about a murder that happened in prison. The guy who committed the murder was a convicted murderer. The victim was a convicted child rapist. A lot of people giving their support and commending the actions of the murderer because of what the other guy was in prison for. While child molestation is obviously a horrendous and vile thing to do, should people be applauding the fact that his cellmate murdered him in cold blood? Advocating murder shouldn't be a thing, yet why is it somehow morally acceptable in some cases and not in others? If that murderer had killed twelve people for his sentence and he murders somebody who had killed four kids and an old lady, who would the general public root for? How does society come to these moral decisions? Are we influenced by the media to the point where it becomes socially acceptable to make remarks such as "give the guy a ****ing medal, what a hero"? Is it the nature of the working class person to want rough justice for something, an eye for an eye, a life for a life? People who offer you out in a pub car park instead of giving you a decent reason why they're annoyed (which makes it all the more hilarious when they're then beaten anyway), are they setting the standard for the nation's moral compass? Do we still view all life as precious and give people who have wronged the laws of the land a chance to redeem themselves in a new light or is it a case of one chance and if you blow it, that's it? I'd be interested to hear the views of people on here, for the most part there are some intelligent posters so I was hoping to get an informed response. It might be asking a lot.
People should stop thinking that prison should be about 'rehabilitation' as opposed to punishment. It shouldn't.
A question that will not garner an 'informed' response Sterling. It is a matter of personal opinion like your political choices, religious beliefs and sexual preferences. The question is "Why was a child rapist in the same prison area as a convicted murderer "? It is a well known fact that any rapist put into prison will be attacked by the other inmates. They are considered to be the scum of the earth and take some terrible beatings so why was he put there? Because the powers that be KNEW what would happen to him? Or will the explanation be that they were just short of space! My personal opinion is that the officials knew what they were doing and placed him in a situation where they knew that other prisoners would do what they couldn't! Simples.
A lot of people in prison don't have a very good sense of morals and ethics for obvious reasons (they are criminals) as something like this goes to prove. Society 'hasn't come to these moral decisions' it's a case of scum judging other scum, pure and simple, and has nothing to do with normal society.
Is that the one from a few years ago in County Durham where the two prisoners who committed the murder were psychotic and did it because they wanted to eat him?
Really? You think it necessary to narrow it down to so-called class? Amazingly naive. Do they think that, or do those with a tad of common think it might be both? What is their alternative, a lifetime of absolute solitude? Some individuals may have that type of motivation, but I don't believe it is a deliberate thought process of the institution. Maybe this is both off topic and off thread.
I'm not saying it's an important story, just interesting to see what people think of it. What a lot of people seem to think is that murder is alright provided it's under certain condition, which I don't agree with.
Do you include capital punishment and war in your definition of murder? There are many that claim the invasion of Iraq was a war crime based on accepted definitions from the Nuremberg Trials. Is a soldier acting under orders in such a situation a murderer or simply the weapon? As with the soldiers, if the system puts a vulnerable target in a situation where there is a clear and obvious risk, is the fault with the murderers acting true to their nature, or those charged with the responsibility of securing them?
Well certainly for me,child rapists deserve to murdered. All child rapists should be killled,and it should be televised. I don't think my views are born of my social class either.
The soldier is the weapon. On the other point, depending on the situation, both. For example, if a journalist got hit by a mortar in Iraq, well it's pure bad luck but those responsible for his security have failed him by putting him in a dangerous area. In a situation similar to the op, it's both.
I'm not sure it's so much about what people think is right or wrong, it's just that nobody gives a **** if a kiddie-fiddler gets killed.
Strange that they should be even on the same wing ...never mind in the same cell. I have no sympathy for the sex case of course the vile bastard . I wouldnt be suprised if it wasnt pre planned .
Fyodor Dostoyevsky - "you can judge a society by how well it treats its prisoners". People are sent to prison AS punishment, not FOR punishment. Whilst there, they are to address their offending. Rehabilitation gives ex offenders the tools, mindset and opportunities to avoid the circumstances that led to their offending behaviour in the first place. Most peoples view of prison is from the media, and almost certainly incorrect. Hull prison used to have open days, I don't remember the officers name who ran them unfortunately, or if they still run them. I do know they run a "prison, me, no way" scheme where local schoolkids are invited in to challenge these misconceptions of life behind bars. As for killing a sex offender behind bars, prisoners see a hierarchy, with them at the bottom. Strange considering some heroin addict robbing a house on christmas eve and stealing presents will do an awful lot of psychological damage to kids too, but will consider themselves as better! There is a faceboom page entitled "knoq the danger" which is highlighting the dangers of secure establishments. Without getting political, the cuts in spending under this government will lead to more stories like this.
Well certainly for me,child rapists deserve to murdered. All child rapists should be killled,and it should be televised. I don't think my views are born of my social class either. Are you seriously comparing a child having his new bicycle pinched,to a child been raped ? I'm sure you can't be,Cavey,but that's just how this reads.
It didn't read like that at all, it's a good point. Children are vunerable people, they're very easily affected by what goes on around them. A burglar breaking into their home is going to terrify them and probably do some serious psychological damage. As would child rape. It doesn't make either acceptable, which was kind of the point, how is it alright to advocate the murder of somebody? When did it become socially acceptable to say "oh he's done us a favour, the bloke was a rapist"? Trying to justify murder in any case is totally ****ed up, no matter what the conditions are.
It was supposed to read, someone doing one type of damage to a child considers themselves better than someone who does different damage to a child. Don't underestimate the damage being burgled can have, particularly on young kids. In my eyes, they're both equally heinous.
