Swansea city are becoming desperate for cash and are about to launch a scheme where future ST can be bought now with a £50 reserve Guarantee. The club have not bought the stadium yet let alone have any planning permission to how many extra seats that may or may not be granted.......With our wage bill shooting through the roof the longer we continue to be successful on the field are we being forced to abandon our principles and follow Cardiff in selling ST seats that we dont have.......Im starting to worry where we are going and im not the only one we are showing signs of being desperate for money....
"With our wage bill shooting through the roof" - What is the our wage bill Dai? what base are you working from to justify your assertion that its shooting through the roof." "are we being forced to abandon our principles and follow Cardiff in selling ST seats that we dont have", Very simple answer to that Dai, No, no we're not. Regarding season tickets etc, Fact 1 - Demand for season tickets has increased, Fact 2 - Supply of season tickets has remained the same. From this alone common sense predicts that an increase in demand within a stagnant market/supply means prices should increase. But in our case they haven't. In our case ticket prices have increased but nowhere near the amount they could have. Something to do with us being a community club and all that I suppose Dai. I'd suggest that if season ticket prices increased by 50% we'd still sell out the Liberty, so our season tickets are under priced, or to put it another way season tickets are financed by the club. Not the way to go for a club desperate for cash. Regrading the £50 reserve guarantee. Isn't a reserve guarantee another way of saying DEPOSIT? If so then good. A deposit scheme if implemented would help nullify the impact of a mad rush for more and more season tickets as demand increases. Imagine if season tickets could only be purchased at the beginning of each season, with no reserve guarantee, or deposit facility in place. The scenes outside the Liberty would resemble the battle for Helms deep with thousands of fans scrambling and clawing over eachother to reach an ever decreasing pile of tickets. Remember too, all the complaining last year and before regarding season tickets not arriving or arriving late, or arriving at wrong address etc. A deposit scheme would go some way to quell any problems of a rush from the impending increase in demand by spreading out its impact and reducing errors and strains on staff and the computer system. Re Cardiff: if I recall correctly, I haven't checked but as far as I remember, Cardiff's deal was to offer early purchase of season tickets at a discounted, or something, price. Bluebirds were expected to pay the FULL amount of their tickets up front. That's why many bluebirds felt cheated as they purchased their tickets in good faith, at premier league prices but were left with championship football and no recompense. As far as I can tell then Dai our proposed DEPOSIT scheme is entirely different to Cardiff's purchase scheme. Even for you Dai, this post is utter nonsense; sensationalist bollox even. I'm shocked
I can see the regulars have nothing to say and only care about stupid things like who is bigger and better....... but when something as important and a serious topic arises for debate they are lost for words and hide ....
we can all write things to suit but the fact is the club want the fans to pay £50 for something that has not been built yet......that is a sign of desperate times and financial worries however you try and dress it up.....things are not as rosie as one is led to believe and i can understand now why we are in need of investors...
And just how much money at £50 a pop do you think will be raised? Lets do some more maths Dai boy Say we are expanding the ground by a further 15,000 seats. Then lets see that's: 15000 x £50 = £750,000, peanuts, wouldn't be enough to save a blue square club How much will the expansion cost Dai? You seem to have the facts even though you are coy to share them, so throw me a bone. How much is the expansion going to cost and how many people will it accommodative? Lets put real figures into the pot, I expect we'll see that even less than £750,000 will be raised which suggests to me that it is not a money raising scheme but one designed to offer individuals an opportunity to buy an up coming shiny new season ticket. What is the estimated cost of the expansion? How many people will the expansion cater for Why do you think our situation is bleak? What is the size of the out of control wage bill you refereed to in your original post? If we were in dire situation then WHY would we be looking to expand the ground in the first place? and why do you never answer any questions any one puts to you regarding your observations? A chance for you to debate and defend your position with some actual facts only you appear to be aware of Dai. Tell us buddy, I'd love to know what's gong on with my club and you are the go to guy, arent you?.
Wasn't the Cardiff issue, buy ST and then the money was going to be re invested in the playing squad but was then used for something totally different. Like paying off debts. So not the same really.
It was completely different TLF why I pointed it out to Dai and explained why he was wrong in saying it was the same as our simple deposit scheme. and just when I ask him a few questions he signs out and buggers orf. I still think he's funny though.
Or its a club abiding by the laws of supply and demand. But anyway Dai, I dont think it is an advance payment at all. An advance payment for what? My view is that a £50 deposit wouldn't raise sufficient revenue to pay half a months wages, or to be of any significance if used to help fund the cost of the expansion itself.If the money raised is insufficient to do anything significant with then why develop the process and incur more costs in administering it. Looking at it simply as a revenue making exercisde makes no sense to me because it doesn't raise sufficient revenue to be of any significancel. I don't know and I may well be wrong but I have a little business sense and raising money costs money so there must be a reason to do it and I see no reason business wise to ask for such a small sum of £50.00, why not £100, even at £200 deposit it would still be over subscribed imo. The only reason that makes sense in my view is this, the deposit scheme is being implemented simply as a 'heads up' vehicle to process the allocation of new season tickets efficiently. Another thing to think about is that, we know it will bring in new ticket holders but old season ticket holders might want a change and up roots to the new expansion area, freeing up thier seats. The process could get very messy unless it is streamlined at source. That's the only sense I can take of it, not a plea for funds but an advance warning mechanism of whats ahead.
I bet the full expansion will be between 25m - 30m A good 15m for the East Stand, North and South around the 7.5m each.
There is no comparison between the Cardiff scheme and what I believe we are looking to do. Also I think I am right in saying that Spurs adopted a similar scheme to the one we are looking at.
All I see it as being a pre cursor to seeing the interest in what the expansion will be. If the reputed 8,000 we have on the short list for ST, all declare an interest and pay a deposit, then know the demand is there for the expansion. Supply and demand!!!
The reason that so few" regulars " failed to respond to your post is the fact that I for one couldn't believe that you could actually question why we're slow to debate with you .The simple facts are as Stumpy has so eloquently stated and I notice both TLF and Stumpy are still waiting for answers to very reasonable questions .
Are the swans not in line for a £100m cut of the tv rights money being dished out in the near future ? plus are we not in black with debts ? good crowds , in the habit of finding cheap hidden gems and all in all a good healthy paying its own way model to others type of club ? All seems ship shape and in good order now and for the coming seasons to me !
