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OT. The Big Boy's Back in March!

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    BBFs Unpopular View Well-Known Member

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    It was a good watch indeed. It is a very interesting area of science, doubts or no doubts, whether I agree or not is irrelevant, and the only way to prove Dark matter doesn't exist is by doing experiments like these my only caveat is that any results in the negative are always played down, seriously down, called "unexplained" or "mysterious" or just not even mentioned at all and discarded as errata. Just like C(lie)mate science actually, or theoretical astrophysics. Scientists lie to themselves just like the rest of us.

    Look at Quantum computing, D-Wave has been outperformed by standard laptops doing the same computations D-Wave was supposed to be superior at.. and MIT are still runing with this lie and using PR to propagate it. When MIT are full of ****, you know areas of science are in crisis.
    http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1400

    and bigger is better huh <laugh>
     
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  2. Great story <ok>
     
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    So, I was out. What Earth-shattering news did I miss?
     
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  4. RHC is a meta-human. Don't ask me if last nights events had any effect on him though :bandit:
     
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  5. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    The various theories on dark matter and whether the higher energies in the LHC will deliver proof (or otherwise) of its existence and if so, in what form.

    How did the quiz go?
     
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    So no news then?
    I'll watch it on iplayer when I get round to it.

    Didn't win. The quizmaster changed a few months ago, and although his questions are more interesting than the previous one, he introduced a random element into it to stop people winning by using their phones. So you can get the most correct answers but still not win. :(
     
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  7. Red Hadron Collider

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    It was an excellent watch. What sort of quiz is that? Get the most correct answers and lose? <yikes>
     
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    If Dark Matter has mass and can interact with all other matter, as claimed as it figues in the weight of a galaxy(Ridiculous claim to know the weight of galaxies lightyears away) then Dark Matter must be here on and around earth too, take a container and close it. If all the detectable molecules inside don't add up to the volume, then you have undetectable particles in there, that could be evidence. The volume of such a container would always match the sum of the dectable molecules contained within.

    How heavy is Dark Matter? Is it heavier than helium? If so, why are there no Dark Matter induced black holes or stars seeing as Dark matter influences space time? In fact with so much dark matter than seems to be freely moving about, how come it has not all congealed together through gravitational attraction over billions of years?

    We've never found any particular spot anywhere that had absolutely nothing in it.. ever.. and a clump or mass of Dark Matter would show up as a complete void to any detection methods.

    We should also be able to detect effects on normal matter by interacting with Dark matter, this should have been achieved long ago if Dark Matter existed. Claims of Dark matter having effects billions of light years away.. is weak, we should have plenty of evidence on our own doorstep.
     
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    One that panders to people who don't like seeing one of the same 2 or 3 teams winning all the time.
     
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    We'll have to see what happens, won't we?
     
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    I think the point is that nobody really knows the answers to those questions- and that's what they're trying to find out. <ok>
     
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    We may..

    I did a simple thought experiment above, dark matter though not detectable does interact with other matter and Dark matter has a gravitational influence.
    We should therefor be able to trap some of this abundant matter in a box that would show up as a complete void to any detection methods, and given there is Dark matter floating around the ISS in orbit, this experiment would either show there is a matter that is entirely invisible to our detection methods or.. we won't find such a matter.

    Smashing things together in the LHC is not going to prove jack ****
     
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    But ther are better ways to try find it, recreating something that is not shown to even exist is hardly finding anything out. Let alone not knowing if what you created in the LHC is actually dark matter at all.

    An example, antimatter, it has been created but never found to exist naturally.
     
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    The abstract method to find dark matter is our best option, seeing what it infleunces and also, lets apply relativity to it, why is 80% of the mass of the universe not acting like the other 20% of mass in universe? Especially weird given that 80% is alleged to have the same effects on gravity and other matter as the 20% we can see.


    Don't make a lick of sense <laugh>
     
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    Lastly, setting out to prove something is different in process than setting out to find if something is true.

    Cern are striving to find Dark Matter, they are not looking to debunk it.
    #scienceshouldbeverycritical
     
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    That's incorrect. If they don't detect it, a new theory will be required. Some of them are even more excited about that than actually finding it.
     
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    Wake me up when the World's about to end.
     
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    Lots of fun though <ok>
     
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    Not in our lifetimes <ok>
     
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