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Bernie: "FIA had support of Mercedes to design the hybrid engine

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  1. 51LV3R8RR04

    51LV3R8RR04 Well-Known Member

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    Translated from Italian:

    Bernie Ecclestone fired a bomb speaking to Sport24 Sky HD microphones that will discuss the world of Formula 1: Mister E has unearthed a resounding backstory that Mercedes would have a huge advantage in power unit thanks to the design of the engine along with the International Federation.


    "They knew a bit more of the Power Unit-admitted Bernie-why do people of the Mercedes were in close contact with the International Federation, to define the concept of this engine. It is for this reason that had a beginning so strong last year and now maintain their advantage. And now someone has to try going to take them back. One could guess the project or sbagliarlo: and the men of Renault, which both have pushed for this revolution, have failed. "


    Bernie's revelations are very serious: if it is true that the FIA technicians have informed in advance the technicians of Mercedes someone of Jean Todt should resign. Surprisingly, though, that Mister and decides to "sing" right now: if he was aware of blatant information should immediately denounce the serious impropriety. There is another extremely brutal conflict between the League and the Federation that holds the management rules.
     
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  2. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Oh Bernie.... I fear this story is probably extremely loosely based on a true story <laugh>
     
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  3. 51LV3R8RR04

    51LV3R8RR04 Well-Known Member

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    Bernie Ecclestone fired a bomb speaking to Sport24 Sky HD microphones that will discuss the world of Formula 1: Mister E has unearthed a resounding backstory that Mercedes would have a huge advantage in power unit thanks to the design of the engine along with the International Federation.



    "They knew a bit more of the Power Unit-admitted Bernie-why do people of the Mercedes were in close contact with the International Federation, to define the concept of this engine. It is for this reason that had a beginning so strong last year and now maintain their advantage. And now someone has to try going to take them back. One could guess the project or sbagliarlo: and the men of Renault, which both have pushed for this revolution, have failed. "



    Bernie's revelations are very serious: if it is true that the FIA technicians have informed in advance the technicians of Mercedes someone of Jean Todt should resign. Surprisingly, though, that Mister and decides to "sing" right now: if he was aware of blatant information should immediately denounce the serious impropriety. There is another extremely brutal conflict between the League and the Federation that holds the management rules.
     
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  4. 51LV3R8RR04

    51LV3R8RR04 Well-Known Member

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    You probably find Brawn was behind this again like with the illegal tyre test. The FIA approaches all designers, only Mercedes responded.

    Now they rule F1.
     
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  5. SgtBhaji

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    This is getting stupid now. So much damage being done to the sport from people at the top.

    Might as well just close the doors and we can all bugger off home.

    Well.... only a couple of weeks until Indy starts.
     
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  6. Max Whiplash

    Max Whiplash Well-Known Member

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    Yes, my thoughts precisely. I smell male cow faeces. Meanwhile elsewhere, Bernie has said:
    So in future, any team that strives to be the best can just have the fruits of their labour taken away should they succeed. Excellent plan for the future of the sport, Bernie. Yet again, such foresight. And where was this rule when Red Bull were dominating everything, or during the Schumacher years?
     
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    Chelsea Pensioner Well-Known Member

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    This sport has become well shabby mainly due to the greed of Ecclestone. The new engines are crap, the racing is crap, half the venues are crap as well. Malaysia is too often a washed out bun fight, Singapore is a shocker, the German GP is a goner, as is the Dutch, Korea and China are garbage. Only 3rd world venues who pay over the odds get the nod from Bernie the Bolt. Bugger what's best for the sport or its tradition, The rules are hugely biased in favour of a couple of teams and newcomers are greatly disadvantaged. And they expect us to watch this dross for 2 more seasons ? If I was Red Bull and Honda I'd not just walk away, I'd run. Why pump more money into this grotesque parody of car racing with falling attendances and TV viewers. It's a long time since the best driver won anything, what with overtaking zones, unequal cars, pit stops, fuel flow limits, all supposedly designed to make everyone equal but doing exactly the opposite. F1 is dying on its pirelli tyres, thanks to the greed driven plonkers who run the sport and put their personal gains before the good of the sport.
     
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  8. Dalziel or no Dalziel

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    To be fair, they did try with the Red Bull era, they banned pretty much every fancy piece of kit Newey came up with. And Ferrari got off scott free all those years because they were in bed with the FIA.
     
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  9. Max Whiplash

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    Did they ban it all though? I seem to remember front wings flexing for all to see but never getting banned because they somehow passed tests which said they didn't flex. Other stuff got banned because they were cheating. The Mercedes car seems not to rely on tricks so now Bernie wants to invoke some long forgotten rule, whose implication would be to dampen the incentive for teams to excel in future.

    One of the big problems F1 has, IMO, is that the rules have become so contorted through momentary expediency and corrupt influence but the solution always seems to be to mutate the rules even further to compensate. And so things end up ever more twisted.

    It's no wonder that viewing figures and ticket sales are waning but Bernie seems to think that the solutions are medals or track sprinklers or double points or 1000bhp engines or DRS; I could go on. Surely any fool can see that the solution is to be less greedy and put F1 back on free-to-air TV; wasn't there a rule that stipulated that? I know there was but it was easily abandoned when there was a short term gain to be had. Likewise race ticket prices. And make the rules the rules, clearly, none of these hidden loopholes that can be invoked arbitrarily because someone powerful has used his influence behind the scenes. Or simply have a long-term plan and stick to it but I don't think an 85 year-old is best placed for long-term or even fresh thinking.
     
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  10. 51LV3R8RR04

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    For me it has to be twitter or the amount of information about corrupting and cheating on the internet which is F1 and Bernie's downfall. We no longer have to wait days for stories like these to break out in a F1 magazine or Bernie and teams telling them to pull stories away from the public eye like they used to, twitter has revealed the more underhand dealings of F1 that it will always be an uneven playing field.

    The web has shown what F1 is, ugly, and not only has Bernie got to go, all those in power need to go because it seems this is the straw that has broke the camels back. People don't relate to it and they sure wouldn't deal with that **** at their work place in the real world. F1 is no longer about the sport, it's just about which team is cheating or who is the most corrupt/favoured. For new F1 fans it's just about which national driver is winning at the time which serves as the only interest for new fans and when they stop winning, they go as well. F1 is now just a short stint of a couple of years worth watching than a long marathon like 10+ years for new fans.

    Many Hamilton/Alonso/Kimi fans for example only watch F1 because he is racing, when he retires many have admitted (in the past) that they wont watch it any more. For them it's just a short term interest and it just doesn't apply to that set of F1 fans the core fanbase is smaller than it looks. The only group I can relate to in the sense of longevity of watching F1 are men/women aged 50 and above, anybody younger and its impossible to find anybody who has watched F1 longer than 4-5 years. Spain for example probably care more about MotoGP as a sport than F1 in its core of diehards and when Alonso goes, bye bye Spain popularity and off to the middle east that slot goes.

    Even Ferrari are seeing the cliff face, they have entirely changed their attitude on how they approach F1 and the fans in like, giving a ****! about the longevity and prosperity of the sport. That cliff face is coming no matter how much Sky sports tries to sugar coat it.

    For me make F1 something like the premier league, equal money for all teams, bottom team gets relegated to GP2 while top GP2 team gets promoted to F1.

    GP2 and GP3 cars need more toned down and reliable hybrid power units that current F1 has so the technology remains the same.
     
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  11. Max Whiplash

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    Silver, I agree with what you write but the powers-that-be in F1 appear to hold the fans and viewing public in such contempt that I expect things to get worse before they get better. Old habits die hard. Social media have proved effective in other areas in putting pressure on but it's hard to see how that will be effective here when the king of F1 also holds social media in contempt. But anyway, his days are surely numbered, it's just a question of how long...

    It's interesting that you cite the case of Ferrari and yes, things got so bad for them that they had to change: might the team which has been so much a part of the problem for so many years become part of the solution from now on? I like the idea! And it's poetic too.

    It's worth adding, I think, regarding Spain after Alonso, that the Spanish TV were, understandably, pushing Sainz very hard all over last weekend. Good :)
     
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  12. EternalMSC

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    F1 is over. I said it last season.
    Le Mans, DTM, Motogp starting soon. WRC has been pretty exciting also *titanak*.

    Somebody like Arrivabene would run the sport well. Mass appeal.
     
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    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I? Forum Moderator

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    It's another case of hurting the little teams, to slow Mercedes engine down to catch them up means dropping Williams, Lotus and Force India down the pack. In which case Mercedes might as well leave the sport, whats the point in investing money in something which punishes the best engineering?
     
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    Whatever happened to a level playing field?
     
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    I say just sit it through, everybody has their period of dominance. Nothing against Mercedes but the sport is a pan full of ****.
     
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    There are always periods of dominance, but with teams collapsing, cars failing to make a single session or a single race lap, tracks unable to host events and teams threatening to walk out, the whole thing is a farce, and it's not the recent dominance of Merc or Red Bull that's done it... It's the bloody hopeless leadership of the sport.

    Bernie needs to go, he's well past his sell by date and Totd is about as useful as boobs on fish. Fresh leadership and ideas are needed as well as some proper wealth distribution. The sport is in freefall.
     
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    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I? Forum Moderator

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    The sport nearly collapsed in 2009. They made good changes to save the sport bringing in new teams and cutting costs but it looks like its slipped back to the huge cash grab it was before.

    The engine rules have clearly been opened up too much. giving one manufacturer an advantage. Some power limits should have been put in place with an emphasis on using less fuel to gain an advantage and benefit the car industry.

    This is all so obvious
     
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    **Update on this story**

    #1 Mercedes deny this story on twitter when put to them. Said all teams knew at same time.

    #2 Original story has been taken down and journalist who did the story is now keeping quiet about the subject.

    Interesting!
     
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