Coefficients Explained...

Premier League to lose Champions League spot? Coefficients explained...

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Chelsea were knocked out of the Champions League by PSG on Wednesday
Chelsea's defeat by PSG on Wednesday was a shock for all involved, but fans of other Premier League teams were concerned at how it may impact that fourth Champions League place. Here, we explain why your fears should be reserved, for now...

Will the Premier League always get four Champions League places?

No. That coveted fourth place in the Premier League – occupied by Arsenal for three of the last four years – has been a privilege since the 2001/02 season.

For fairness, UEFA hand out Champions League places depending on how a particular country has performed in the last five years. At its height, the Premier League had a Champions League finalist in each season between 2005 and 2012, winning three. But events of the last two-and-a-half years have threatened to ruin all that hard work…

Why are people now saying the Premier League could soon lose a Champions League spot?

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Everton could be England's only hope in Europe come next week
English clubs' underwhelming record in Europe this season was highlighted when Chelsea were knocked out of the Champions League by PSG on Wednesday night.

Liverpool went out at the group stage and were then knocked out of the Europa League round of 32, Arsenal must overcome a 3-1 first-leg deficit at Monaco, Manchester City go to Barcelona 2-1 down, and Everton are the only side left in Europe’s secondary competition.

Which countries get which places?

Currently, the top three ranked countries – Spain, England and Germany - are given four Champions League places, while the three countries below - currently Italy, Portugal and France - are given three.

The countries are ranked on a coefficient score, based on 'points' gained from performance in the Champions League and Europa League.

How is this coefficient score calculated?

The coefficient is calculated by working out an average score for the country, which is gained by dividing the number of 'points' obtained by the total number of clubs representing a country (for example, England have seven clubs this season).

That resulting number is then added to the results of the previous four seasons to calculate the coefficient.

How do you gain 'points'?

Still with us? Good. Each team gets two points for a win and one point for a draw, though points are halved for matches in the qualifying and play-off rounds.

Clubs that reach the last 16, quarter-final, semi-final or final of the Champions League, or the quarter-final, semi-final or final of the Europa League, are awarded an extra point for each round.

In addition, four points are awarded for participation in the group stage of the Champions League and four points for qualifying for the last 16.

So how many points have we got this season?

Chelsea have gained 20 points, Arsenal 19.5, Man City 15, Everton 12, Liverpool 10, Tottenham 11 and Hull 2.5, meaning up to now England have scored 90 points. Dividing that by seven gets you 12.857, England’s current coefficient score for the season.

How does this compare to other countries this season?

England’s score of 12.857 is currently fourth-best; Spain have 14.642, Germany 13.857 and Italy 13.833. France trail England in fifth with 10.250.

So where are England in the overall rankings when taking into account the past five seasons (including 2014/15)?

England are currently second in the overall coefficient ranking – the one that counts - with 79.677 points over the past five seasons. That's 18.357 (2010/11) + 15.250 (2011/12) + 16.428 (2012/13) + 16.785 (2013/14) + this year's 12.857.

Spain are top with 94.427, while Germany are just behind England with 77.415.

Could anybody overtake England this year?

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Manchester United reached the 2011 Champions League final, losing out to Barcelona
It is virtually impossible for England’s closest challengers, Italy, to overtake this year. They are currently just over 14 points behind England in the overall standings. To put that into context, in the whole of the 2013/14 season, Italy gained 14.166 points, while England gained 16.785.

However, with the 2010/11 season dropping off the coefficient list next season, the gap will narrow considerably. With Manchester United reaching the final in 2011, England gained 18.357 points to Italy’s 11.571, meaning Italy will gain just under seven points.

The most points scored in a single season in the past five years was Spain's 23 in 2013/14 when both Atletico Madrid and Real Madrid reached the Champions League final, as well as Sevilla beating Benfica in the Europa League final.

So Italy are the biggest threat to the Premier League's fourth spot?

Yes – and they still have six teams playing this season. Juventus are 2-1 up in the Champions League last-16 as they travel to Dortmund, while Torino, Roma, Fiorentina, Napoli and Inter Milan remain in the Europa League.

However, it would take a few years of rapid decline for Italy to overtake England in the coefficients.

What can Everton do to help the situation?

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Everton could be England's only hope in Europe come next week
A Champions League or Europa League win usually gains a country around five points (depending on qualifying-round participation) towards that season’s overall coefficient, so an Everton victory come May would be extremely useful for England.

It’s not all about the Champions League teams being eliminated – Europa League is just as important for the coefficient.

Worst-case scenario: what’s the earliest the Premier League could realistically lose its fourth Champions League place?

To wildly predict the future, England’s fourth place will not be affected for the 2015/16 season, should be protected for the 2016/17 season, but may come under threat for the 2017/18 season - but only if Italian clubs consistently out-perform English clubs across both European competitions for the rest of this season and next season.

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I appreciate this will be seen as boring as hell to most but thought others would appreciate knowing how it all works

 

#sympathypost

 

It was just an excuse used by Chelsea fans last night as to why we shouldn't all be celebrating the fact their cheating team got knocked out in such a hilarious way

 

So in theory we should take the EL more serious if this is the case...

 

But why should teams like Everton and Tottenham try to do well for the sake of a CL place they will never use?

They should try to do well in the EL just for their own fans and that's fair enough.

 

That should be the case regardless

 

For anyone who gives a ****, this guy updates all the rankings and co-efs after each round of games:
http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/

Bottom line is Pool's ranking is poor and means if they finish 4th, drawing a decent team in the play-off round of the CL is a possibility as well as probably getting a tough group is they qualify for the group stage. (although this years looked good for 2nd on paper!)

 

And on a cheery note, Utd's ranking is falling all the time

 

As the article says, they lose the 2010-11 CL final come the summer.

It'll take a few decent years for us to build ours back up

 

Piss off you boring ****

 

Well the reality is 3 points v ludo is worth as much as 3 v real so lfC only have themselves to blame for their ****e ranking

 

Harsh.

Have you 2 fallen out or somat?

 

Pissoff you grumpy batard

 

i hope all are looking as this is why i have laughed at sprs throwin the EL for years.

Seedings are all that gets arsenal out of their groups, city have has a pish seeding and struggled to get out.

Until you get up to top or second seed status in CL you are better off playing goddamn EL not CL. Sevilla IMO will be in final again this year. they will have enough points to be CL seed.

sevilla took 26 points last year and 14.7 this year.... if you did that for 5 years running you'd be up there


lets look... chelsea are 4th overall seeds, city are 15th. that put city in the top 2 seedings. Arsneal are 9th currently, again now they are no longer to seeds so if they go out this week they will be second seeds next year and have trouble getting out of group and 1st knock out will put them against as usual real, barca, bayern etc.

utd are 10th and will drop 36 points next year so will be around city's level.. if they get in CL they will be second seeds perhaps!

LFC are worst of all. we are 40th and will drop 15 points next year and only took in 12.5 points this year so we will drop out of top 50... we will be lucky to be 3rd seeds


again... think on reds fans... our performance was unacceptbale in cl...

tottenham are 19th they drop 26 points next year so will be 3rd seeds at best in any group

the italian teams are actually 20th, 21st, 22nd and 23rd in the tbale

juve were out for a long time they have 3 yeares of 20 points accumulated and will no doubt therefore jump right up seedings.

AC milan due to this one single yea rout have dropped to 21st and will drop far more next year...

inter are the same... the droppe dout of CL and suffered


The reality is that 4 english teams play CL which is mildly harder but we are so freaking bad that when only 3 tealian teams enter the comp they can outscore us.

Then in europa our teams throw the damn comp and let the italians outscore too

The focus for english clubs has GOT TO BE WIN THE GROUP. its no good coming second as you will get spanish or german giants and go out.

win the grup = accumulate points = coefficient points. win last 16 and go further.

the prem should not be bloody be all and end all of a club.


finaly point............ the social utopia that is the shared tv moeny in england means ****ing hull and such can compete for players. in spain and italy and germany the top 3/4 is a lock so teams can res tplayers between european games,

bayern could play u8s and win thier league ffs.

 

One thing to consider is the changes to the CL top seeds from next season.

Previously it was the holders and next 7 highest seeds (thats why Arsenal always got top seeding despite being dumped out of the KO's early all the time lately) who got top seeding.

Next year it will be the holders plus the winners of the top 7 (or 8 if the CL winners win their league) ranked leagues which is going to make the top seeds marginally weaker but the second seeds a lot stronger.

 

That's the right thing to do IMO there should always be an advantage for having won your retrospective league