Oh and one other thing, you go on about playing narrow, you are spot on, if you play 442 you need width and wingers that bomb on and whip in decent crosses, that will never happen with the likes if Tabb, not his fault, just Micks poor tactics!!
no problem with having a difference of opinion Spanish, your ears were probably burning yesterday afternoon, both Warky and myself appreciate your views, they keep the board interesting to say the least!
They were burning funnily enough hoppers but i put that down to the fino i was drinking, 17% of pure alcoholic delight that certainly warms you up!!
I don't think there's much of a 'divide' on the board, certainly not compared to those Roy Keane years when there was the massive debate over whether we should sack him. I think he's the only manager, bar Jewell, that I've explicitly opposed. Anyway, there's always going to be difference of opinions, and I funnily enough Spanish I respect your opinions (you're certainly consistent). As much as we criticise McCarthy, I don't think there's no denying the fact that's his come in, improved us, and got us challenging at the right end of the table. I think there's just a concern over the long-term future of the club, with some of the fanbase preferring a more progressive manager to come in. While that's something I don't think many fans on here will deny wanting at some point in the near future, I just don't think it's economically feasible to sack a manager who is doing well, replace him with a younger bloke, overhaul the squad to bring in more technically proficient players, and do all this while remaining competitive while on a limited budget.
" Oh and one other thing, you go on about playing narrow, you are spot on, if you play 442 you need width and wingers that bomb on and whip in decent crosses, that will never happen with the likes if Tabb, not his fault, just Micks poor tactics!! " Mick doesn't trust the full backs. He doesn't trust Mings to put a winger infront of him. I don't get his beef with Parr at full back, but Mick won't. The main issue we have with Mick, and I can't really defend this, is when we lose a game - the style of football is not pleasing on the eye and it will invite a hell of a lot of criticism. People will forget Murphy's two big misses yesterday and everything will be Mick's fault. Irrespective of our " style " style " yesterday, we had enough chances to win. Players fault we didn't yesterday, end of!
Morning Spanish! I didn't get back till late last night and I was too bloody knackered to post! My thoughts on the game whilst I agree with Hoppers I his analysis is that we looked pretty good and on another day would have run out convincing winners. Murphy's inexplicable miss early in the Second Half was the killer for us! How the fook did he miss the easiest chance he will ever get is just beyond me and him too I should imagine. We really could and should have brushed Brentford aside during that second half but alas it wasn't to be! Sorry to say it but that Murphy miss could be the big factor in whether we can now make it to the play offs! There were many positives from a disappointing result and I remain reasonably upbeat.
I think you sum it up well here. Mick gets alot right and I cannot think of any other manager who could've taken over us where we were and got us to where we are today on the budget he has. The problem is with the skills he has as a manager he limits his own potential. Although he drives me insane and I didn't particularly like him as a manager (a bit like Pulis), you cannot deny he's done wonders here, you just always think, he generally gets the best out of technically limited players (but he's the one who buys those technically limited players) what could he do if he showed the same loyalty and patience with talented players and what if he payed the same amount of attention to how we play on the ball as we do off it. I've used this analogy about Mick before he always gets his teams to walk before they can run but never tries to get them to run (just goes for the basics), his predecessor tried to get us to run before we could work when the foundations weren't in place (which is why he did so well at Wigan). This is why I feel Mick could literally probably go into any football club at any level and do a decent job, because he gets his teams organised and doing the basics right alot of other managers can be hit and miss but when it clicks it really clicks, unless Mick suddenly has a personality change he will never achieve great great things at a football club. Yes I'd love us to appoint a young progressive manager (like Warburton) but we'd be stupid to sack Mick for several reasons: 1) How well he's done here when you put it into perspective 2) He's improved us every season whilst reducing our expenditure with other clubs around us increasing theirs 3) It'd take a very good manager to take over what is a very low quality average squad and achieve better than what Mick has. It would be risk that wouldn't be worth taking IMO. I know fans at his previous clubs have always had the same criticisms of him. He got both of them promoted which were superb achievements but when they got their it was seasons of struggle, whilst is a good achievement his expenditure went up and yet the quality didn't really improve. Then when he left Wolves look what happened, other managers couldn't get that consistency out of those average players and they dropped like a stone (we do not want that to happen to us). My biggest grip with Mick is he seems to take the Glory out of football. We just grind results out, he may well get us up and he may well keep us up for a few seasons, which will bring great financial benefits but we all know it would be a grind. We won't look back in 20 years time and think can you remember Mick when he got us promoted and kept us in the PL for 5 years, it was 5 years of struggle, I doubt it. I always look back on what I can remember and love about ITFC and it's when we got promoted under Burley and that day at Wembley, then the following season and getting to Europe, playing and beating Inter Milan, then Royle coming in and some of those ridiculously high scoring games and even some of games under Magilton, that amazing season where we nearly went all season unbeaten at home. I just don't think we'll ever have those moments under Mick and for me that's what football is all about.
You'll need more than just armour Spanish.... To be honest I see no reason why we wouldn't get along...I don't insist that my friends have to have the same opinions on everything as me...indeed many do have the wrong opinions..........................sometimes the way you put your points across I find a bit OTT but that's no great shakes...
PTC, I know it has been said in the past that we have similar viewpoints but I feel that I could have written that post. Naail hit firmly on the head for me.
As much as we criticise McCarthy, I don't think there's no denying the fact that's his come in, improved us, and got us challenging at the right end of the table. I think there's just a concern over the long-term future of the club, with some of the fanbase preferring a more progressive manager to come in. While that's something I don't think many fans on here will deny wanting at some point in the near future, I just don't think it's economically feasible to sack a manager who is doing well, replace him with a younger bloke, overhaul the squad to bring in more technically proficient players, and do all this while remaining competitive while on a limited budget.[/QUOTE] Agreed, can't see anybody else coming in and taking us to the 'next level' with our budget etc. Too easy to blame Mick when results don't go our way. Like you said we had more than enough chances to win yesterday. If we got rid of Mick now I think we'd go back to square 1. This season's not over yet... Get behind the team.
I'm always of the mind that a different manager can use the same players in a different way. I don't buy all this total overhaul etc. Players are told to play a certain way, no reason why they can't be coached to do something differently or be used in a different formation/position.
Was thinking more of playing them in the right position. I've had my nap now, I'm ready to go.......... Besides, who doesn't like talking about positions.
.... I think for the rest of this season we should just sit back and see what happens ...and judge once the dust has settled.
Just watched the highlights, they made the game look very open and even. I realise they're highlights but I could take a lot of positives from them. The negatives aren't anything we didn't already know. What I hope we take forward is that corners should just be whipped in just as our goal was. I actually think Murphys miss, although horrendous, wasn't as frustrating as the missed break opportunity from the free-kick we intercepted.
