Not knocking Jose, I am just saying that his pragamatic approach mainly wins you major pots if it has serious money thrown at it. I just don't want to pretend it's all down to Jose cos without the billions he's spent, he'd have far les pots, that's my point, isn't this league cup his first pot in 3 years? Even though he's spent how much in those 3 years? half a billion? for a League cup?. City have thrown money at it and have 2 PL titles without ever having a Jose managing their team. With a Jose maybe they would have won more, likely in fact but the fact remains, what is most crucial to winning major pots is bags of $$ thrown at it. There has always been exceptions to any rule, but in todays game, if you don't spend you won't win ****. And that porto side might have been mid table but they had the best team in that league by a stretch.
Money brings success, no question. I think a manager like Jose just increases the chances/frequency of the successes.
Going to have to disagree with this. I love Mourinho for what he's done for us and we can win big with attacking play. I didn't watch the final but in the big games and against big teams, Mourinho sets up exactly how MITO has said. Defend first attack second. Get the niggly fouls in to break up play and do not commit too many men forward.
Of course, the guy knows how to win games. My point again is that the progamatism needs the $$$ or he ain't winning **** by playing like that, it's the $$$ than enables him to play that style, very hard to beat a team of 300m who are set up to sit back and look for scraps. Without the money you are looking at a draw fest at best, conceding few and scoring few. Not original either, Greece won the EC playing exactly like that. Football would suck ass if every manager set up like Jose sets up, that's a fact
But they don't play like that every week do they? As they're the leagues 2nd highest scorers, having bagged 16 more than you btw.... This entire thread is about Finals, and Mourinho knows how to win finals, it aint pretty but who the **** cares? You don't turn up to a final and play open and give the opposition a gift, you play tight and win at the margins. Hence the reason he's wins.
Haven't you just sort of contracted yourself mutiple times. Money wins trophies. Money certainly helps but by no means is it the decider: 1. Greece won a pot their team was probably one of the cheapest at the European Championships 2. Mourinho won the CL with the Porto team, they were hardly the money team. 3. Porto finished mid table even a strong team, so Money and good players don't guarantee even a top 3 position. Mourinho changed that obviously it is something about Mourinho. 4. Jose won the CL with Inter. No one gave Inter a chance in hell of winning that. He didn't exactly spend away with a very average Inter team. I personally prefer attractive and winning football. However if it was the one or the other it would be winning ugly then losing attractive. Agreed for any neutrals the way Mourinho sets up is boring but for supporters of the team it will do just fine
You're describing every Tony Pulis team ever Or every match in Italy! I get what you're saying....but he has done it with Porto on a tighter budget. That team spawned several top quality players who were previously relatively unknown. Since then he has never had to do it on a budget again, why would he have to? Pulis on the other hand.....
I already said that about a final or big games. I am saying you can be all Jose as much as you want but unless you are spending massive amounts you will win **** all playing that ****e. Give fat sham half a billion and 2 seasons, he'd be up there playing that style he does.
Guess everyone will just have to disagree with you Sisu. I know who i'm siding with, the one with all the trophies and being hired by every club going.
I mean, RDM had a similarly massively expensive squad, htey played anti football and won the CL. Now RDM is a wet behind the ears manager with not 10% of the reputation Jose had yet he achieved what Jose could not with Chelsea. Any manager can use a 3 or 400m team and play anti football. It's those that dare to try entertain with exciting attacking football that take bigger risks. As I said, if everyone took on Jose's approach, football viewership would plummet
playing to win and keeping it tight and hoping someone will materialise is all well and good. What if Spurs chose to do that too? What if the two teams in the CL final decided to do that? It's play like that which brought in golden goal and the like because it was much more common in the past. Us under Houllier made me go nuts!! ****e football even though he had one really good year with the cups playing that ****e. Thank **** it is for the most part a recourse for less well off teams.
Seriously though, I think you're minimising the ability of Mourinho. Am pretty sure that if he had to, he'd be able to win (less frequently, mind) on a smaller budget. Good players want to play for him, his teams generally like him (perhaps one or two ego's in Madrid aside...but that's common there)....and sure, it may not always be pretty but he'd still get results. Appreciate that he's not everyones cup of tea though
If I remember correctly, Atletico did exactly that in the final last year and nearly won it!! In fact, any teams that are closely matched in any European competition is a tight tactical affair. Someone made the point earlier, Chelsea aside, it's why we're so **** in it!!
So let me get this right, you're having a pop at him for playing defensive football, but when confronted with the fact that this supposed defensive style has yielded 56 goals this season in the league (2nd only behind City @ 57) You then declare that the number of goals scored has nothing to do with how you play? What the actual **** As per you've completely missed the salient point. Mourinho reverts to type in big games, games he doesn't contemplate losing. He goes safe. Finals are the ultimate no lose games. He doesn't set up like that every week.
