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Ospina, Özil & Mertesacker

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by BrunelGooner, Feb 26, 2015.

  1. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    I tend to think in the big games you need a solid team performance rather than an individual or two carrying you through.
     
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  2. Arsenal87

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    Well he doesn't do much at all in the big games, and needs to start making himself counted, so far in big games he has never offered much.
     
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    Did we? Or is that another thing you don't really remember but are going to state anyway?

    Season before Ozil we finished 4th with 1.92 points per game and 1.89 goals per game.

    Last season we finished 4th with 2.08 points per game and 1.79 goals per game.

    This season we are 3rd with 1.89 points per game and 1.89 goals per game.

    Ozil hasn't had an impact on us scoring more in the league at all. You could feasibly argue that he helped us accrue more points last season (but ultimately who cares when we still finished 4th) but even that has dropped down again this season.

    So none of what you say is really true based on the stats. So really all we have to go on is your shaky memory that two years ago we really struggled to break teams down (even though we scored at the same rate as we have done this season).
     
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  4. afcftw

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    The season before ozil signed we struggled to break down teams who sat back, we had plenty of possession but would often not find the final ball. Last season our consistency against the teams outside the top handful was much better. I hadn't said anything about increasing the overall amount of goals we scored or our league position, so your lovely stats are irrelevant.

    And your argument that it was two years ago so my memory isn't a viable source of an opinion means that any discussion about any of our past games is pointless as everyone's perception will be effected by time in the same way. What's the point of a forum if not to discuss our opinions on things? By all means reply with "that's not how I remember it, I thought we played xyz.." or whatever point you want to dispute but this whole memory thing is boring.
     
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  5. TheBear

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    Massively wrong about Ozil. Has he under performed for sure but his class is there for all to see.

    Since returning from injury he is back getting assists almost every game.

    We shouldn't be trying to fit him into some existing formation. Wenger should be building a team around him.
     
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  6. Jayramfootball

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  7. Jayramfootball

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    Again these numbers don't mean anything because by that logic Sanchez has also had no impact. If you use that logic you may as well say sell Ozil and Sanchez because you got more goals per game two seasons ago. Every season is different.
     
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    Ultimately, if we finish in the same position with the same sort of points total with the same sort of goals scored... Then yes, I'd argue he's had little impact. But my opinion is that actually that Ozil and Sanchez are two world class players being wasted in a team managed by a past it mediocre manager.

    If Wenger was so good why can't he get players, who've won top trophies elsewhere, to win top trophies for him in his team?

    My point is that Ozil can be as crap or as brilliant as he wants... With Wenger in charge it will make little difference.
     
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  9. BrunelGooner

    BrunelGooner Well-Known Member

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    I don't really see how I'm 'massively wrong' when I've said he's talented and that he has under performed for us.

    Which is...errr....pretty much what you said?
     
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  10. Jayramfootball

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    All things are not equal every year though because some teams get better and others worse.
    I do not think you can compare like that.
     
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    Ospina could have done much better with the goal tonight VS QPR.
     
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    Did seem very slow didn't he. In his defence I'd say he probably wasn't expecting Kos and Gibbs to part like the fooking red sea and give Austin a free shot!

    On a positive note I thought Per had a much better game and Özil looked solid throughout. His jinking run down the right was a particular highlight. Been watching that on a loop this morning!



     
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    The turn in the box is just sexy...
     
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    Nice gifs of Ozil. You can see his brain working while he's on the ball. He is thinking a few steps ahead to the rest....
     
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    He had another good game against QPR - he can be so elegant and classy to watch but I've never denied he has talent, I just question his attitude and his motivation when it comes to the bigger games. All his good games have come against 'lesser' sides. He needs to do more on the big occasion.

    If I feel he proves me wrong, I will be more than man enough to admit it.
     
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  16. PINKIE

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    Ozil is a class player, that's obvious to see. The one thing that I think would improve his game though is if he sped things up a bit. He can tend to get caught on the ball and sometimes plays into a dead end. In La Liga, he had the luxury of more time, but that's not there in the premier league. I think this one thing would dramatically improve his game, although I still think he's a wonderful player who offers a great deal to our team. The view that he makes no difference is frankly bollocks.
     
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  17. Arsenal87

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    Well Ozil will have a chance to prove himself if he starts VS United, and what I mean by that, is we bought players like him for the big occasions, it's good he can do it against your QPRS, Evertons, and Villas, that is to be expected after all from a player of his calibre, but what we need now is for him to step up and do his thing on the big occasion, because at the end of the day, with or without Ozil we would still get the job done VS your QPRS, Evertons, and Villas, but it's the big games we're trying to improve on now and make an impact by getting the results.

    I want a big game from Sanchez as well.

    We need our big signings to step up to the plate, if they do and make themselves be counted, we will win.
     
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  18. lazarus20000

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    This is pretty much it. We bought the big time players to give us that edge and against Manure, we want our best two to do something special.
     
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  19. Jayramfootball

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    I thought Arsenal bought these players to win trophies, not do well in big games. They should do well in all games if they are going to win but that can never be guaranteed and is no indication of how good a player is if they don't win the big games.
    Arsenal won their first trophy in a long time as soon as these players started arriving and went on to win the Charity Shield too.
    In the year Arsenal won the title without losing a game they did not beat Manchester Utd at all in the league and lost to them in the Cup.
    Players no matter how good they are find it harder against bigger team because they are competing against better players. What right does Sanchez have to be the match winner against City for instance when Aguero could just as easily be the match winner. What right does Ozil have to be the match winner against Utd when Rooney could be on the day? If it was just a case of buying a player for £40m and then guaranteeing match winning performances in all the big games then Chelsea, Manchester City, and PSG would win everything unless of course the big players were not expected to perform in small games in which case they might get relegated.
    By the logic being mentioned about performing in big games Arsenal would have to have the best players by far being brought into the club, much better than other teams have. Unfortunately these players do not exist.
     
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  20. lazarus20000

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    Of course you want your best players to perform on the big occasion. If you want to win the biggest honours, you have to beat the best, which means your best players have to play well at critical points. Although it is a team game, you will always have the best players excelling on the biggest stages. We have it now with Ronaldo, Messi, Bale, Aguero, Yaya, Costa etc. With regard to us we had Henry, Bergkhamp in the past and more recently Cesc and RVP. For me, Sanchez and Ozil are from the same mould as the rest of the players mentioned, in that they are world class talents who are expected to do the business. Why else would you buy them? We might as well just pack out our team with a bunch of Milner's or Henderson's.
     
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