Agree, i don't want to see him go to prison. Be good if forces against IS capture him and do to him what he did to those others. A bullet is too kind for that fecker.
The thing is, he's just a drone. Killing him, whilst gratifying, would change nothing. There are thousands more where he came from. 11% of UK Muslims believe that Charlie Hebdo deserved to be attacked, 27'% 'sympathise with the motives behind the attacks'. We have to deal with how and why these views exist.
I agree with your views and education is the long term goal. However the fact that some of these freaks are beheading people because they don't have the same views is another matter. No place in a modern democratic society with those religious views. It also worries me that 11% of UK muslins believe that CH deserved to be attacked? I have not read that before but if people are unhappy with how this and other countries are run or what they believe in maybe the should live in a country where they are happier. I don't force my views on anybody and i don't expect others to force views on me. At the end of the day that bloke maybe just a 'drone' but he will be a dead drone soon and if others follow that route then so will they.
The stats I quoted were from this poll: http://comres.co.uk/wp-content/uplo...British-Muslims-Poll_FINAL-Tables_Feb2015.pdf The overall findings were portrayed on the BBC as encouraging, but I don't find them so.
A Bangladeshi atheist, who published a blog questioning fundamentalist islam, was hacked to pieces at a book reading or something in Dhaka this week. I've never heard of atheists hacking Islamists to death. Very interesting interview with the ex head of M16 on Radio 4 this morning. He pointed out that Jews, Sikhs, Hindus all seem well intergrated into British society while keeping their faith, significant numbers of Muslims struggle with this. He speculated that it was down to socio-economic factors - Muslims tend to be on the poorer, less educated end of the spectrum (obviously not all of them) and the fact that Islam has been fragmented and at war with itself since the first century it was invented, or dreamed up, or whatever. On the latter I'm not sure, most religions seem to be characterised by sub sects who hate each other even more than they hate outsiders. He was also very interesting on torture, especially on what the US has been doing. He said it works, because otherwise we wouldn't have been torturing people for thousands of years - they give information. But it, and the death penalty, are so opposite to 'our' values that if we use them we are lost. Be interesting to see what percentage of the general British population would support violence if they felt a fundamental part of their belief system was being insulted. Fortunately we will never know, as we don't really have a shared belief system.
as much as I wish all non English loving muslims could be deported during the seventies\eighties I would be sure a good percentage of irish immigrants agreed with what the ira were doing
Unfortunately we do not have access to the exact question which provoked this response. Many non moslems would also say that an attack (of some sort) on Charlie Hebdo was justified - but would not agree with the way it was carried out, or the bloody consequences. We are talking about so called satire here which had been `punching down`for at least a couple of decades - ie. was a part of the establishment which had been poking fun at France's largest immigrant group for quite some considerable time - often involving the crudest racial stereotypes. Had the attack been carried out using less deadly means I myself might have supported it - especially considering that demos against Charlie Hebdo had been previously banned (so much for free speech). I too would prefer to see Jihadi John caught alive - so that he could be confronted with his cowardise - made to realise that the Koran does not sanction his actions and that he is the greatest enemy of his religion. But I would also like to see more of us questioning things like the US drone attacks on Pakistan (which have killed over 2,000 people - many of them women and children) the perpetrators of which may end up with medals for their cowardise.
Dont come over here and talk bollocks about US drone attacks killing women and children. All decent human beings in the world know that they are there entirely to seek out terrorist scum. If you want to support terrorist scum in Pakistan and criticize our friendly allies then you can **** off from our board.
Frankly, the best way to deal with these headcases is to ridicule them, a recent diatribe urging an attack on Rome and 'throwing homosexuals off the Leaning Tower of Pizza' has been met not with fear but ridicule... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rs-suggest-foodie-hotspots-jihadis-visit.html
Its possible I suppose but I wasn't there so I don't know. Somehow I doubt it. I'd say they were a very small minority. Probably less than the percentage of Britons who agreed with the actions of their Army in various wars around the World, Iraq for example. The point is, there'll always be a small amount of support for violence amongst communities. There's hardliners in every society. I read the stats Stroller put up there about Muslims as positive until others started giving out about them. When you say 11% of Muslins thought Charlie Hebdo was justified, its slightly loaded. Saying 89% didn't puts a different slant on it. 73% didn't even sympathise with the motives, which in my view isn't that bad a figure considering we're talking about the most zealous, fundamentalist religion in the World. There's plenty of hope there. BTW Kiwi, are you an actual kiwi or an ex-pat?
Had the attack been carried out using less deadly means I myself might have supported it What a muppet thing to say. CH would take the P out of everyone and everything and on some occasions themselves. That doesn't give anybody the right to murder a team of artists because they say something which certain freaks disagree with. Many people believe religion is a load of b@llocks and many people believe in it but what should never happen in a modern day society are these freaks (because basically that's what they are) murdering innocent people over a belief. They call themselves muslims and kill in the name of Islam yet they murdered a muslim policeman, so what does that tell you? I disagree with your post but fortunately for you, you live in a country that lets you have views, lets you have free speech unlike some of these outdated religions and countries that persecute people that have a different views. And unlike you i am pretty sure that no military personnel will want to bring that freak in alive.
Andy you used to sound kinda..........well..........normal. These days you sound more and more deranged. Did a big hairy sheite run off with your missus or summink?
CH started off in this way, ie. poking fun at everyone, but over the last couple of decades have increasingly come to concentrate on attacks upon an already marginalized section of their community - these attacks increasingly playing on the use of the most base racial stereotypes. Their content would, in most cases, have been banned in the UK, USA or Germany - imagine that a German magazine was using the same negative stereotypes to make fun of the Jewish religion, what would your reactions be then ? Because the caricatures used by CH are in no way different to those used by die Sturm in Nazi Germany. Free speech does not extend to libel, slander, certain types of pornography, publication of matter covered by data protection etc. etc. the list is endless - and also does not include material intended to inflame or insult minorities, based either on religion or racial origins. For many people growing up in the ghettoes on the edge of Paris or Marseilles, French free speech may appear very one sided - with the state having considerably more access to it than they do. And so, where I would recoil in disgust from murder, a brick through a window in the middle of the night I could perhaps understand - though would not do it myself.
Dont post like a 5 year old swords. You sound as dumb as cologne. The attacks in France are blamed on cartoons but if those cartoons were not published then they would of attacked for another reason. Maybe the pink panther because mohammed is not a fan. These people are nutters and they will look for any reason to attack western culture where people want to live in peace.
