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Truths: David Moyes > Louis van Gaal

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by password invalid, Feb 22, 2015.

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    password invalid Well-Known Member

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    Forget the stats, Man United are worse off under Van Gaal than under Moyes - Despite being five points better after 26 games, not to mention in the top four, Manchester United’s situation at present is more desperate now than it was a year ago. This is due to a number of reasons, including how much more Louis van Gaal has spent compared to David Moyes, the fact he hasn’t had to directly follow Fergie’s dynasty and title-winning swan song, the inexplicable reaction of LVG to Sam Allardyce’s recent mind games and the fact this United side do not have a European campaign to juggle with the league season. Of course, the worst thing United can do is react the way they did last term and change managers at Easter – surely someone of LVG’s calibre will require time to stop the pre-existing rot and fully implement his ways. That said, Moyes needed time for those exact same reasons!
     
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  2. Rick O'Shea

    Rick O'Shea Well-Known Member

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    They are not a sacking club though, they're Man U, so are different and wont sack Moyes I mean Van Gaal.

    I actually quite like him. He is a shsmrock short of a bowl of lucky charms.
     
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    how much has been spent on mufc players this season ?
     
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    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    Certainly got a comedy element to him the ****ing nutter
     
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    I think he is ****. I hope we go there and attack them. They are beatable.
     
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  6. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    Not 'Truth' is it?

    Moyes made his own bed by sacking all the back room staff, he'd still be here now if he didn't do that, but instead he fetched in Phillip Neville and Steve 'nodding dog' Round.

    Moyes got everything he deserved.

    Van Gaal isn't convincing me that he's going to get us going but vs what Moyes was serving up couples with the fact that Moyes showed Nemanja Vidic a Phil Jagielka DVD, I call this piece of **** you've copied and pasted from somewhere, absolute bollocks.
     
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    The Outlaw and Disco down under like this.

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  8. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    Mate there's millions of pro-Moyes anti LVG articles by 'experts'.

    The same experts were tearing into Moyes every 5 minutes last season.

    It's fine for people to say LVG has spent the money and Moyes didn't. Truth is Herrera didn't want to play for Moyes and turned us down, then jumped at the chance to play for Van Gaal.
     
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    more money perhaps ?
     
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  10. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    If you want to speculate, sure.
     
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    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Yep, no one would see progress as being higher in the table with more points ........ especially in your first season having inherited a total mess left behind by the previous manager..
     
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    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    You need to use the 'reply/quote' facility otherwise your posts lose relevance.
     
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    password invalid Well-Known Member

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    in that case we have progressed because we are one point better off than this point last season,i dont think a lot see it that way.
     
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    I'm sure they do ......... we were in the bottom 3 for most of last season and we haven't been this season.
    We looked absolute certainties to be relegated, it's nowt to get excited about but it's progress.

    Besides you can't just conveniently 'forget the stats' ....... they're what count in any competition.
    Stats are what dictate league placings, European qualification and income.
     
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    IIRC a short while back VanGaal was pencilled in at Spurs but somehow ended up as favourite at ManU during the world cup period. I often wonder if RvP had a word with him about the ManU situation and he changed course. Given today's ease of communication he could have been appointed by text after making sure that Spurs got their second choice manager and Koeman ended up at Soton on LvG's recommendation.

    Given how football is owned by men in high places it is not beyond the realms of possibility that a deal was brokered in that way.
     
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    LVG and Koeman can't stand each other.

    I've no doubt RVP had a say in his appointment, he was his national team manager so I'd imagine RVP has at least recommended him at some point.
     
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    there is a theory that rooney is wanting a move to the sol and thats why he is not shooting or getting forward its an effort to force a move ,he would be perfect
     
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    The following are some of the more interesting findings…


    • Van Gaal’s United are in a much healthier league position compared with this time last year — they are fourth, as opposed to seventh under Moyes. That said, they have just five more points (47 compared to 42)
    • While United’s home form has been drastically better under LVG (they have the second-best home record in the league), their away record has been conspicuously worse — in total, Moyes won 10 of his 18 away matches at United, whereas so far, Van Gaal has won just three out of 13.
    • While Moyes inherited a title-winning squad, he spent just £67.9million compared with the £150million given to Van Gaal.
    • In total, LVG has 13 victories and 5 losses compared with 12 wins and eight defeats under Moyes at the same point last year.
    • United’s scoring ratio is better under LVG (1.81 goals per game compared with 1.69 under Moyes).
    • LVG’s record against the so-called ‘big’ Premier League teams is superior — of last year’s top four, only Man City have beaten them, while they’ve picked up league wins over both Arsenal and Liverpool. By contrast, under Moyes, Liverpool and Man City both did the double over United, whereas Chelsea also beat them.
    • 2014-15 is the first season ever that Swansea have done the double over United. Conversely, under Moyes, the Red Devils themselves did the double over the Welsh side, winning 4-1 away and 2-0 at home in the league.

    What do you think? Has Van Gaal done any better than Moyes so far? ....................................... from yahoo sports
     
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  20. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    "What do you think? Has Van Gaal done any better than Moyes so far?"

    Moyes took over a well oiled machine from Ferguson with a settled back-room staff & infrastructure.

    LVG took over a demoralised shambles left by Moyes.

    The two regimes can't be compared no matter how many daft stats you chuck at it.
     
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