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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v West Ham United

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  1. No Kane No Gain

    No Kane No Gain Well-Known Member

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    Tottenham Hotspur host West Ham United at White Hart Lane on Sunday 22nd February, KO 12:00, in the 26th round of the 2014-15 Premier League season.

    Spurs come into the game in sixth place in the Table on 43 points while the Hammers are 8th on 38 points. This will be the 246th time the two clubs have met.

    The first meeting came in the Thames and Medway League in September 1898 when West Ham were known as Thames Ironworks. That game at Northumberland Park resulted in a 3-0 home win for Spurs. Thames Ironworks won the return fixture 2-1 at the Memorial Grounds in East Ham.

    The teams met again in the Southern League the next season with Spurs running out 7-0 winners at Northumberland Park and the return fixture ending in a 0-0 draw at the Memorial Grounds.

    The 1900-01 season saw Thames Ironworks become West Ham United and the Hammers and Spurs played each other in both the Southern League and the Western League. By now, Spurs had moved into their new ground at White Hart Lane but it would be another four years before West Ham moved to their current home at Upton Park (or more correctly, the Boleyn Ground). Spurs won three of the four matches played that season against West Ham with the remaining game being drawn.

    Tottenham Hotspur and West Ham United continued to meet in both Leagues up to season 1907-08, when Spurs switched to the Football League.

    The teams didn't play any more competitive matches against each other until after the First World War. During the War, several games were played in the various competitions organised to maintain the morale of the public.

    Spurs beat West Ham 3-0 in the first FA Cup match played between the teams in February 1920. To date, the clubs have played against each other together 11 times in the competition with Spurs winning 6 games to West Ham's 3 and 2 drawn games.

    The first Football League meetings came in the Second Division in season 1919-20 with West Ham winning 2-1 at Upton Park and Spurs winning 2-0 at White Hart Lane. Spurs regained their top flight status that season, which had been taken away in very contraversial circumstances.

    Spurs and West Ham played their first match in the Top Flight of English Football in February 1924 with the Hammers drawing 0-0 at the Lane but winning the return leg at Upton Park 1-0. The clubs met for another four seasons in Division One from 1924-25 to 1927-28. From 1932-33 until the outbreak of World War Two, the clubs met in the Second Division.

    During the Second World War, Spurs and West Ham played 20 games which often featured 'guest players' as many of the club's regular footballers were called away on National Service.
    Regular football resumed in season 1946-47 and the teams played four seasons in Division Two before Spurs won the title in 1949-50 and were promoted to Division One, where they won the first of their two League Championships the next season.

    West Ham United were themselves promoted to the First Division for the 1959-60 season and they enjoyed a lengthy spell in the Top Flight which lasted until 1978.

    West Ham United beat Spurs in the first Football League Cup meeting in 1966 and to date the clubs have met 7 times in the competition with Spurs winning three games, West Ham two games and two games drawn.

    Spurs were founder-members of the Premier League in season 1992-93 and have been ever present in the competition. West Ham won promotion to the Premier League for the 1993-94 season and lost to Spurs 3-1 at Upton Park that season. The Hammers beat Spurs 4-1 in the return match at the Lane.
    West Ham won the 2010-11 match in September at Upton Park 1-0 with a Frederic Piquionne goal while the game at White Hart Lane in March 2011 finished in a goalless draw. The Hammers were relegated at the end of that season finishing bottom on 33 points.

    The match at White Hart Lane in November 2012 resulted in a 3-1 win for Spurs with Jermain Defoe scoring just before half-time and adding a second after 64 minutes after Gareth Bale had put Spurs 2-0 ahead after 58 minutes. The Hamers goal came from on-loan Andy Carroll. The game at Upton Park in February 2013 was won 3-2 by Spurs. Gareth Bale put Spurs ahead after 13 minutes but an Andy Carroll penalty levelled things up after 25 minutes. Joe Cole put the Hammers ahead after 58 minutes before Gylfi Sigurdsson scored the equaliser after 76 minutes. The game looked like ending as a draw until Bale scored a second stunning 90th minute goal.

    West Ham had a memorable 3-0 win at White Hart Lane in October 2013. Winston Reid opened the scoring in the 66th minute before Ricardo Vaz Te struck six minutes later and Ravel Morrison added a third ten minutes from time.The clubs met at the Lane in the 5th Round of the Football League Cup in December 2013 with West Ham progressing to the Quarter Finals after a 2-1 win. Emmanuel Adebayor put Spurs ahead after 67 minutes but late goals from Matt Jarvis and Modibo Maiga secured the victory.
    West Ham completed a 3rd win over Spurs last season with a 2-0 win at Upton Park in May with Harry Kane scoring an own goal & Stewart Downing scoring.

    Spurs visited Upton Park for the opening match of the 2014-15 season and new signing Eric Dier secured the points for Tottenham with a 90th minute goal.

    To date, there have been 37 matches played in the Premier League with Spurs winning 18, West Ham winning 12 and 7 matches drawn. The clubs have met in two foreign venues, firstly on tour in the United States in May 1969 where Spurs beat West Ham 2-1 in Baltimore, USA and more recently in the Barclays Asia Trophy in July 2009 in Beijing, China with Spurs winning 1-0.

    Overall, Tottenham Hotspur have won 101 games, West Ham United have won 84 games and the remaining 60 games have been drawn.


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    Full History of Tottenham Hotspur vs West Ham Matches 1898-2015


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    They Played for Spurs & West Ham....
    Clive Allen
    Paul Allen

    Charlie Ambler
    Eddie Bailey (Spurs player & asst manager, West Ham scout)
    Peter Barnes (Secretary with both clubs)
    David Bentley
    Len Bolan
    Mark Bowen
    Ronnie Boyce (West Ham player, Spurs scout)
    Harry Bradshaw
    John Burton
    Chris Carrick
    Michael Carrick
    John Chiedozie

    Roger Cross (West Ham player, Spurs asst manager)
    Harry Crump
    Calum Davenport
    Jermain Defoe
    Terry Dixon
    David Dunmore
    Ilie Dumitrescu

    Jack Eggett
    Matthew Etherington
    Les Ferdinand

    George Foreman
    Jimmy Greaves
    Fred Griffiths
    Albert Hall
    Trevor Hartley (West Ham player, Spurs asst manager)
    Pat Holland (West Ham player, Spurs reserves manager)
    Percy Hooper
    Chris Hughton
    Johnny Jordan
    Bill Joyce
    Bill Kaine
    Frederic Kanoute
    Robbie Keane

    Steven Kelly
    Paul Konchesky
    Peter Kyle
    John Lyall (West Ham player & manager, Spurs scout)
    Ken McKay
    Percy Mapley
    Hossam Mido
    Fred Milnes
    John Moncur
    Roger Morgan (Spurs player, West Ham development officer)
    Jimmy Neighbour
    Bill Nicholson (Spurs player & manager, West Ham scout)
    Scott Parker
    Tony Parks
    Martin Peters
    Sergei Rebrov

    Harry Redknapp (West Ham player & manager of both clubs)
    Jimmy Reid
    Mark Robson
    Neil Ruddock
    Teddy Sheringham

    John Smith
    Perry Suckling (West Ham player, Spurs goalkeeping coach)
    Mauricio Taricco
    Mitchell Thomas

    Walter Thomas
    Jack Tresadern (West Ham player, Spurs manager)
    Steve Walford
    Jimmy Walker
    Simon Webster
    Charlie Whitchurch
    Bobby Zamora

     
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  2. redwhiteandermblue

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    An interesting article on Ryan Mason at http://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnatio...ottenham-hotspur-mauricio-pochettino-midfield.
    It points out that we’re awful at expected goals vs. expected goals against, largely because our counterpressing gives up too many great chances on the break, and the biggest culprit is Mason, who plays risky, low-percentage passes like a CAM, which he was for most of his career. The trouble with the way we play at the moment, I’ve thought for a while, is that we have a tendency to press one second too long when we should be getting back.

    The fact that we outperform our expected goals is a tribute to the talent of Kane, Eriksen, Chadli and Lloris.

    The thing the stats may miss is that passing the ball forward, for all its risks, gets the game going the way we like it. Mason giving the ball away too often by passing forward is a lesser evil than various other players sending it safely sideways. With the former, our quality players get good shots at goal, even if the other team gets more. With the latter, the game slows down, which suits teams that are less fit, that want to park the bus and grab a point.
     
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  3. O.Spurcat

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    Referee is Jonathan Moss.
     
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  4. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Really hope we go back to doing the double over this lot. Last season was a painful one for me, I went to all 3 matches against them and it was literally unbearable. Luckily went to Upton Park this season though so it started to make amends :D

    Carroll's out for the season apparently so we shouldn't have to worry about long balls, though Valencia and Sakho plus a rejuvenated Downing can cause problems.
     
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    We beat West Brom 3-0 at the Hawthorns, while West Ham lost 4-0.
    Given that we're at home this time, that means that we'll win about 8-0, right? <whistle>

    I'll be happy with any kind of win after our Thursday game. A decent performance would be nice, but it's not essential.
    They'll have a point to prove after their stuffing in the cup, so I expect a tough game.
     
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  6. The Mighty Thor

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    My manager is a west ham season ticket holder...and a complete ****er...monday will be unbearable if we lose.
    The days after last seasons losses were a ****ing pain!
     
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  8. The Mighty Thor

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    Europa hangover perhaps but still 1-0.
     
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  9. SpursDisciple

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    I hadn't realised quite how good Kane's PL stats are. 13 goals, 4 assists in 21 appearences, without starting any of the first 7 games - and playing only a few minutes in some of the sub appearences. Without thinking about it, I thought his goal tally was bolstered a bit by EL defences, but his PL record stands on its own.
     
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  10. No Kane No Gain

    No Kane No Gain Well-Known Member

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    Yeah he played just over 90 minutes in his first 6 PL appearances(all sub) this season and scored one goal... and one own goal

    Just looking at his PL starts he's got 12 in 15. No one can really claim it's just his cup goals propping up his league form.
     
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    Allardyce has said something that we all know, but which won't increase his popularity amongst the West Ham support.
    “It is bigger for West Ham supporters than Spurs," adding that, “Competing with the big boys is difficult but not impossible and I would like to think we still have an outside chance up there."

    Not endearing himself to that mob, is he?
     
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    It sounds like a "subtle" reminder of what a good job the manager is doing.
     
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    The more I think about it, the less surprised I am that Allardyce is in trouble. He deserves some credit for keeping them up, and had a great start this year. But in sport of all things it’s always, "What have you done for me lately?", and a genuinely bad run of form including getting hammered by West Brom would get anyone in hot water. I actually think he’s a decent manager, all things considered.
     
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    Allardyce is doing a great job.

    They are well placed and he's improved the strength of the playing squad dramatically. He has some quality players.

    It's just that West Ham fans have delusions of grandeur based on a few English World Cup winners having played for them.
     
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    As we all know.
    ''Three victories from the next three games would deliver the League Cup, a place in the last 16 of the Europa League and a continued presence in the race for a top-four finish''.The other side of the coin is of course, ''three defeats could in-fact drag Tottenham's season seriously off the rails''. Even Liverpool could climb above us in the placings by the end of this week.
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    The next three games are pivotal to the season, in my book, because Pochettino needs to keep the season alive and furthermore needs to deliver a successful one from this point. However, I don't think he's expecting to win all three games., match congestion is saying 'he can't'. But any single victory, in the next few days, would be enough to keep the season, at least, on the tracks. Pochettino first 11 are more then capable of securing the 3 points tomorrow. Must win tomorrow... for me, Its a must win game.

    COYS
     
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    If I were Pochettino I’d give my prospective starters vs. Chelsea this game to see how they look. The Guardian guess we’ll play Dembele on the left and Eriksen in the center . It wouldn’t be a bad idea. As a left footer who tends to find his way into the box, Dembele on the left might give us a bit more width. I know it won’t happen, but I’d like to see Lamela tried on the left. As it stands, I think I’d pick Townsend over him on the right, despite Lamela’s greater talent and undoubted determination. Townsend provides distraction on the right side of the pitch and Lamela for the most part doesn’t.
     
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    Match Thread up on the Premier League board for those who want a bit of banter without the threat of a ban. :angel:
     
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    Banned. <whistle>
     
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    Team is:

    Lloris (c), Walker, Dier, Vertonghen, Rose; Bentaleb, Mason; Lamela, Dembele, Townsend; Kane.

    Subs: Vorm, Davies, Fazio, Stambouli, Chadli, Eriksen, Soldado
     
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    Eriksen as a sub yes that's a sensible move to show him he is not undroppable after his poor Euro performance.
     
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